Swift MH weights

young thomas replied on 03/09/2017 07:32

Posted on 03/09/2017 07:32

for 2018, Swift have lumped all their Bolero and Bessacarr models together in one range....Bessacarr.

some have been stretched (again) to produce a 'cheaper' version of the Kon Tiki, with some layouts at 8.11m.....now, thats a lot of van...

incredibly, they are marketing this lump with a std 3500kg chassis, which, with the obvious option of the 150bhp engine and auto box, leaves a 'payload' (i use the term loosely) of under 200kg.

now, some caravanners might think thats a decent amount BUT this does not include ANY other juicy options (satellite, twin batteries, bike rack, tow bar etc) NOR ANY water, nor passenger, not camping gear nor ANYTHING....

not only that, looking at the huge rear overhang and the rear water tank, its likely the rear axle limit will be close to being exceeded before the first passenger sets foot in the van.

certainly adding anything at the rear (water, 'stuff'', bikes/rack etc) will render this van useless before its turned a wheel....

its not good Swift offering a chassis upgrade (which they dont, youd have to do it yourself.....) if the 3.5t carrot has cost someone £60k+ for a van they dont have the license to drive....

this seems to me to be wholly irresponsible marketing which will end in heartbreak for the unwary. 

peegeenine replied on 04/09/2017 11:40

Posted on 04/09/2017 11:40

It's about time manufacturers and sales persons started coming clean on this. Journalists could also be more forthright when mentioning payloads and the clubs could play a part too. There needs to be far more emphasis on this.
It is still possible for a couple to enjoy a 3500kg MH but care is needed in selecting the right size and layout. This is where the sales persons guidance should come into play and also when extras are being considered. Even metalic paint adds weight and have you ever picked up those desireable Milenco Quattro levelling blocks?
I don't believe that any 4 or 6 berth MHs can be operated, as intended, at 3500kg and would be pushing it at 3700kg. The rear axle load on a 3500kg van is the same as a 3700kg van and that is the limiting factor.

BlueVanMan replied on 04/09/2017 17:12

Posted on 04/09/2017 17:12

If a manufacturer produced a car that was incapable under normal circumstances of being driven at 30mph in a city there would be an outrage. Yet it appears to be acceptable to produce a motorhome which realistically cannot be fully utilised within its weight limit. 

A large van which carries several people has the propensity to go over a 3500kg limit very easily,  especially if there are many options fitted, the water tanks are full and/or there is a lot of extra equipment carried. 

 

It seems to me that there is a lack of transparency here. To an extent the salespersons  don't know and/or don't care and some manufactures manipulate specifications to produce a vehicle which on paper is fine but in the real world cannot deliver the dream which slick advertising promises. 

The problem will get worse as the current breed of C1 drivers die off or reach 70,  less drivers have suitable towing qualifications, and the size and complexity of motorhomes and the weight their base vehicles all increase.

I do think the Club could do a valuable service to their members here by :-

1. Being bluntly critical about real world weight limitations in quoted test drives. I appreciate that these are to an extent bought in rewrites but there is no excuse for misleading by omission.

2. In its handouts and web guidance give much better info on how weight limits are calculated and highlight the pitfalls. 

 

peedee replied on 05/09/2017 07:01

Posted on 05/09/2017 07:01

The real answer is to allow heavier weights to be driven on the B licence. I think I read in the latest Club magazine that once again there were moves afoot to increase the weight limit of the B licence to 4225Kgms. I consider most 3.5 ton C and A class motorhomes to be impractical.

peedee

SteveL replied on 05/09/2017 08:23

Posted on 05/09/2017 07:01 by peedee

The real answer is to allow heavier weights to be driven on the B licence. I think I read in the latest Club magazine that once again there were moves afoot to increase the weight limit of the B licence to 4225Kgms. I consider most 3.5 ton C and A class motorhomes to be impractical.

peedee

Posted on 05/09/2017 08:23

For the older generation there would still be the issue of 70, unless that age limit was raised. Which given that pensionable age is gradually increasing, as folk live and have to work longer, would not be unreasonable.

Randomcamper replied on 05/09/2017 08:38

Posted on 05/09/2017 08:23 by SteveL

For the older generation there would still be the issue of 70, unless that age limit was raised. Which given that pensionable age is gradually increasing, as folk live and have to work longer, would not be unreasonable.

Posted on 05/09/2017 08:38

TBH Steve, it's not unreasonable to ask someone over 70 driving a large (possibly over 4 tons) vehicle to have a medical to prove they are fit to be driving it.......

MichaelT replied on 05/09/2017 09:27

Posted on 03/09/2017 14:27 by peegeenine

I have a 2016 Swift Bolero 684 lounge 7.1m long MH plated at 3500kg. I have 3 factory fitted extras consisting of tow bar, second leisure battery and bike rack. All of these extras are behind the rear axle as is the 100ltr fresh water tank and the under bed storage area. The large Dometic fridge freezer sits over the rear axle as does the slot in cooker. Gas bottles ( 1x11kg and 1x6kg) are behind the front axle as is the waste water tank. The Alde boiler is also over the rear axle and the spare wheel is right at the back of the van.
With the van loaded for an extended camping trip (6 weeks with me, the wife and cat), full tank of diesel and water, empty waste tank, 2 bikes on the back and nothing on the tow ball I am over weight on the rear axle and 60kg over 3500kg. The van can be replated to 3700kg but that wouldn't solve the rear axle overload so would be pointless. The standard Bolero 684 has a half dinette layout so that it can carry 2 rear passengers and is plated at 3700kg so I would think that the rear axle overload on that would be significant if loaded the same.
All I carry under the bed is 2xhigh back chairs with seperate foot rests, 1x canvass chair for the cat, 1x wind break, 4x levelling blocks and a few other bits and bobs that individually don't weigh a lot.
The barbie has now been assigned to the shed along with the 907 gas cylinder, we didn't use it that often so no big deal. A couple of other weighty items that where under the bed have been relocated to the front storage areas since the visit to the weighbridge and I am fairley confident that travelling with an empty water tank will keep me legal. To be sure I need to revisit the weighbridge but that isn't easy in my area but will make the effort at some point.
Towing a car on an A-frame doesn't add much weight but a trailer is an absolute no no. The car does allow me to carry some stuff in the boot though, just like a caravanner, which is what I am when towing. 

Posted on 05/09/2017 09:27

To be sure I need to revisit the weighbridge but that isn't easy in my area but will make the effort at some point.

I have the same issue PG, there are not many weighbridges in Essex and especially around Colchester where I live.  Which one do you use?

peegeenine replied on 05/09/2017 10:09

Posted on 05/09/2017 10:09

Hi MichaelT, I live near Colchester too. I used the weighbridge at Gladwell haulage company which is on the old A12 at Copdock nr Ipswich. It's not too far off route if travelling that way. Drive on halfway to weigh front axle then pull forward to weigh whole MH. The rear axle is calculated from the two readings.

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