Looking at Buying A Motorhome. Advice Welcome!

replied on 21/02/2021 19:34

Posted on 21/02/2021 19:34

We have started to look at holiday plans for after the pandemic and are moving to the notion that touring within/outwith EU might be easier by motorhome than by car + touring caravan. We don't want a Pickfords Removal Lorry [no budget either], but something that will be comfortable for the 2 of us for stays of up to the 90 days EU Limit, without having to eract/dismatle awnings and all the paraphenalia every time we move site.

We like the Swift Escape Compact C404 at 5.99 metres, BUT there doesn't appear to be much storage for the obligatory external dining table + 2 chairs and I don't want the challenge of trying to stop them sliding up and down the living area whilst driving.the 120BHP engine seems a tad underpowered for shifting something with the aerodynamic profile of a loaf and the max load is limitd to 3300kg

We've seen [online only] a low mileage 2017 Swift Lifestyle 622 [seems to be a Dealer Special based on the Escape Range] that has a 130BHP engine and a 6.29m length and an external 'cupboard' rather than garage for the table and chairs and the layout is essentially our Swift Challenger caravan bolted onto the Fiat chassis. The slight increase in length might make all the difference and we have the comfort of knowing that the same caravan layout was quite comfortable for our trip to Spain 15 months ago.

Has anyone got any thoughts/advice/experience that will steer us in the right direction, please? We won't be committing to a purchase until we have the chance to see the motorhome at the Dealership and do a physical check to confirm that the configuration etc workfor us.

TIA

Steve

replied on 22/02/2021 09:43

Posted on 22/02/2021 09:26 by brue

I think the OP has already stated a desire to travel without too much paraphernalia including caravan awnings etc. It's easier to do this with a m/h without too much of a compromise on comforts.

Posted on 22/02/2021 09:43

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eurortraveller replied on 22/02/2021 09:48

Posted on 22/02/2021 09:48

Hey, I am the ultimate no paraphernalia man!  

We travelled long distances without an awning, Aquaroll, wastemaster, barbecue, satellite dish, outdoor lounge furniture,  bikes, remoska, microwave or extra freezer.  And no indoor shower either.

.You can certainly travel far and fast without them - whether it’s with a smaller motor home or with the smaller caravan we chose - just  4.2 metres internal space.

 

SteveL replied on 22/02/2021 09:55

Posted on 22/02/2021 09:55

Perhaps not such a big leap for us. We have never had an awning and the associated items that tend to go with then. Although there is quite a lot less space in the MH, cutting down on internal clutter means we don’t feel particularly cramped when living indoors. The big major plus is, that the seats are so much more comfortable than either of the two caravans we had.

cyberyacht replied on 22/02/2021 10:09

Posted on 22/02/2021 10:09

My first MH after the caravan was a Marquis Majestic 125. 150BHP Peugeot Euro 5 engine. More than adequate unless you are taking on the Stig or Clarkson. Moderate height transverse double over a reasonable sized low height garage that took two folding bikes plus table & chairs and the other odds and sods. Lounge wasn't massive but adequate and all on 6M. Had mine up-plated to 3500 but never used all of it. Never spent longer than a month though view of the jungle back home.

Takethedogalong replied on 22/02/2021 10:35

Posted on 22/02/2021 10:35

Think outside the years of caravan experience would be a good start.

Exactly what you want to do, and how you will choose to use your MH will be the key. Using it for proper touring, quick set up and pack up? Move on more frequently than with a van? Use it for getting around daily off Site? Or......

Have lots of comforts around you? Pitch up and leave it on a pitch? Rely more on walking, cycling, public transport once pitched up?

Nothing wrong with either choice. Slightly smaller outfit will be best for first option, getting around, carrying less, much more mobile. You will have the benefits of your private loo, your mobile catering options, your dry, warm nest wherever you go through the day. Second option, size of outfit won’t be as crucial as it’s just left on Site. 

We have a small AS monocoque (no leaks😉), we are both tall, like our comfort, and tour with big dogs, carry ebikes, and a large chariot for our elderly dog. We tour all seasons, so well used to cold and wet as well as hot and dry. We spend weeks away, hopping from place to place, vehicle goes out with us usually. Tables are integral, store nattily behind one of seat backs, clip together to be freestanding for outdoors. We carry two comfy but light chairs that slip into bathroom during transit, or in Fiamma box if we aren’t carrying bikes. Floor space behind cab is free for dogs, pull up catering. We have clothes needs down to a fine art, everywhere has a laundry of some kind for longer trips, we don’t carry too much. Any bulky/ heavy storage goes under side seating to spread load, not that we have much. Fitted with a roll out canopy. 

Life is easy if you travel light, keep clutter to a minimum, use your storage wisely. Set up takes 10 minutes, pack up takes 10 minutes, but we have comfort, warmth and easy access to bathroom and cooking at all times. Think totally different to a caravan and it becomes very easy.

replied on 22/02/2021 10:44

Posted on 22/02/2021 08:46 by

Steve

Getting back to your OP I am wondering why you have decided the  longer European trips would need a change to a MH.

It will very much depend on your touring style whether that is the case  . we have been spending long periods around mainland Europe  for the last 20 years and not found a car caravan combination restrictive  but we will spend several days or even weeks at most stops. If you are planning on almost daily moves and using aires it might be the way to go but 90 days with a very much cut down accessory list (compared with you caravan) will need some fundamental lifestyle changes . 

Posted on 22/02/2021 10:44

Funnily enough, David, most of the M/H owners we encountered in the dim and distant past of Nov 2019 spent a lot of time showing how much stuff they could each cram into their vehicle. Not quite 'and the kitchen sink' but certainly the obligatory rechargeable full size Dyson [we only have a Shark, does this ostracise us? wink]

We do intend to travel much lighter to enable quicker getaways. Our caravan was bought the day before we left for France and Spain and was 14 years old at that stage. The logic was that if we didn't like towing a full size van, there wasn't a great deal of money lost and we would have plenty of time to see if the layout works. We had 89 nights in 'Swifty' and, assuming we have to crush it and use it as a paperweight, a complete write off of our investment will have cost us £37.38 per night!

Pack down is a pain, because of cleaning the towball, fixing the mirrors, reloading stuff into the car etc whereas M/H owners seem to just wash up and go!

Swifty is a small 2 berth so the usable space is probably not much less than a M/H has, but the reduction of 'associated kit & caboodle' AND the looking ahead to the time when the towcar needs changed has pushed us towards the convenience of a Motorhome. A European Tour or even into Scandinavia/Baltics is on our wishlist, and, whilst we could do it with the caravan, I suspect that the experience might become more endurance test than holiday.

Nothing is cast in stone yet, and if this year's holiday season is curtailed, we may stick with Swifty for a little longer

Everyone's advice and suggestions has given us a great deal of food for thought, so thanks to everyone who has 'chipped in' with Replies. This is not going to be a repeat of the Swifty 'buy Thursday AM, start holiday Friday AM' escapade.

A final thought; I had a heart attack in Spain in late January 2020 and the thought of just jumping into a M/H instead of pushing & pulling a caravan for the last couple of feet has an appeal!

Steve

brue replied on 22/02/2021 10:48

Posted on 22/02/2021 09:48 by eurortraveller

Hey, I am the ultimate no paraphernalia man!  

We travelled long distances without an awning, Aquaroll, wastemaster, barbecue, satellite dish, outdoor lounge furniture,  bikes, remoska, microwave or extra freezer.  And no indoor shower either.

.You can certainly travel far and fast without them - whether it’s with a smaller motor home or with the smaller caravan we chose - just  4.2 metres internal space.

 

Posted on 22/02/2021 10:48

Yes, I've done it too, just with a rucksack but then you need a few facilities to make it more enjoyable...wink

We previously had the same small van as Deleted User and it was a great little van with cavernous storage because it was high off the ground and the under bed storage was deep, it was an excellent design all round. Good storage makes a difference, vans with outside lockers are better.

replied on 22/02/2021 10:54

Posted on 22/02/2021 09:48 by eurortraveller

Hey, I am the ultimate no paraphernalia man!  

We travelled long distances without an awning, Aquaroll, wastemaster, barbecue, satellite dish, outdoor lounge furniture,  bikes, remoska, microwave or extra freezer.  And no indoor shower either.

.You can certainly travel far and fast without them - whether it’s with a smaller motor home or with the smaller caravan we chose - just  4.2 metres internal space.

 

Posted on 22/02/2021 10:54

Our 16 year old 'Swifty' is 6.21 metres overall length, but, at that great age, she needs the equivalent of incontinence pads, zimmer frame and other aids to keep going, so there's a decent amount of kit carried for any running repairs [locked out of caravan in rainstorm because of worn lock springs to mind]. Remoska earns its keep, cooking cakes, stews etc.

Steve

Tinwheeler replied on 22/02/2021 10:57

Posted on 22/02/2021 10:57

Steve, you'll find the same appeal with the lack of a need to wind corner steadies or fetch and carry water too.

Travel light and the packing up routine certainly is wash up and go (and unhook the EHU).

replied on 22/02/2021 11:15

Posted on 22/02/2021 10:57 by Tinwheeler

Steve, you'll find the same appeal with the lack of a need to wind corner steadies or fetch and carry water too.

Travel light and the packing up routine certainly is wash up and go (and unhook the EHU).

Posted on 22/02/2021 11:15

Good point re the EHU, TW!

Our ideal holiday would be pitch up, wind out a canopy for sun protection, table & 2 chairs for eating, then tee shirt & shorts and off on the bike to explore.

Need to lose the 'complete Anal Retentive' label a former work colleague awarded 'in her professional opinion' that compels me to load another 1/2 dozen 'just in case'.

I know those foreigners buy food and household consumables, because we see them doing so when we are in the local supermarket ...

Steve

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