Help with Motorhome laid up for long term

Lvlv replied on 13/04/2020 08:40

Posted on 13/04/2020 08:40

We have a new (2019) Elddis Accordo 120 Majestic motorhome. It has a solar panel. I am concerned that it wont start after a long time on the drive. 
The Elddis and Peugot Handbooks are next to useless for a novice. I don’t know if the vehicle battery is charged when hooked up or if the solar panel charges the vehicle battery.

My wife is on the extremely vulnerable list so I have to self isolate too, which means I can’t give the motorhome a run to the shops.

Can anyone advise.

Take care and stay safe.cool

 

 

Tinwheeler replied on 14/04/2020 08:57

Posted on 14/04/2020 08:54 by EmilysDad

but by the OP's own admission he/she is a novice so does he/she even know if there's an alarm or tracker fitted? 😏

Posted on 14/04/2020 08:57

I don't know and we don't know what the OP doesn't know πŸ™‚

young thomas replied on 14/04/2020 09:18

Posted on 13/04/2020 20:28 by JollyKernow

Evening

A cheap way to maintain both batteries is, if you can, run a cable (1.5mm should suffice) between both batteries. Connect this to each positive terminal. Ideally install an inline fuse in that cable (10amp) close to the vehicle battery. Your ehu and/ or solar will then charge both batteries. I tried this on my last van and it worked well so I wired it permanently, then just removed the fuse when needed. Hope this is of some help?

JK

Posted on 14/04/2020 09:18

agreed this might be a cheap/quick way to 'balance' the two batteries with flow moving from a healthy leisure battery to a depleted cab battery and having a fuse (switch) to allow/prevent this could indeed be useful..

a 'manual' battery master equalisation systemsmile

However, it needs to be understood that the reverse action is also true....if the leisure battery gets low, for whatever reason, it will suck power from the cab battery.

in heavy off grid use, especially in winter where solar help is poor, normally charge would only be taken from the leisure battery, it will now also drain the cab battery at the same rate.

which is why a Battery Master (effectively joining the batteries as you describe) has a relay (electronic 'non return valve') to only allow the flow from the leisure battery to the cab battery and not the reverse route.

simlarly, batteries connected together 'should' be of the same age and capacity, ideally a matching pair.....as in a new/upgraded twin leisure battery situation. 

furthermore, any battery or leisure system can develop a fault at any time (eg short causing fast drain). its bad enough (but not critical) to lose the leisure battery but, if connected to the cab battery without the protection of a BM, this would be dragged down too, meaning no vehicle starting capability.

i realise your post was a 'quick fix' and a versatile one for those who understand what its doing, but i wouldnt suggest this as a permanent solution....for the above reasons.

IMHO, a BM with added protection is a 'better' fix and forget solution.

 

EmilysDad replied on 14/04/2020 10:15

Posted on 14/04/2020 10:15

@ BB .... has a relay (electronic 'non return valve') 

Would your 'none return valve' not be a diode? A relay is a switch ...

but I agree with everything else re similar batteries etc 😊

young thomas replied on 14/04/2020 14:03

Posted on 14/04/2020 10:15 by EmilysDad

@ BB .... has a relay (electronic 'non return valve') 

Would your 'none return valve' not be a diode? A relay is a switch ...

but I agree with everything else re similar batteries etc 😊

Posted on 14/04/2020 14:03

yes, a diode.....im not an electrician (certainly shows!) but i (think iπŸ™„)understand the principles.....

you mean for my 'non return valve'wink

ATDel replied on 14/04/2020 15:21

Posted on 13/04/2020 08:40 by Lvlv

We have a new (2019) Elddis Accordo 120 Majestic motorhome. It has a solar panel. I am concerned that it wont start after a long time on the drive. 
The Elddis and Peugot Handbooks are next to useless for a novice. I don’t know if the vehicle battery is charged when hooked up or if the solar panel charges the vehicle battery.

My wife is on the extremely vulnerable list so I have to self isolate too, which means I can’t give the motorhome a run to the shops.

Can anyone advise.

Take care and stay safe.cool

 

 

Posted on 14/04/2020 15:21

Being a Majestic the solar may very well be linked to the van battery as well as your habitation battery. You can check by looking at your controller. It should be a truma controller sd10 and if the cab battery is attached you will have 3 sets of wires going into it. If you only have 2 sets of wires into it then it will not be connected. We have a dealer special Autoquest and I connected the cab battery to to controller myself.

ATDel replied on 14/04/2020 15:38

Posted on 14/04/2020 15:38

Sorry forgot to say it’s very doubtful that ehh will charge the cab batter either. I understand that the encore range had that until 2019 and no longer has that facility, the encore being the top of the range in Elddis motorhome production

EmilysDad replied on 14/04/2020 17:06

Posted on 14/04/2020 14:03 by young thomas

yes, a diode.....im not an electrician (certainly shows!) but i (think iπŸ™„)understand the principles.....

you mean for my 'non return valve'wink

Posted on 14/04/2020 17:06

I knew what you meant .... πŸ˜‰

Dave Nicholson replied on 15/04/2020 16:06

Posted on 15/04/2020 16:06

The advice above that reads  “A cheap way to maintain both batteries“ by connecting them together with a 1.5mmsq cable is foolhardy and should not be considered whether an inline fuse is fitted or not!  The current delivered under short circuit conditions from a vehicle or leisure battery under fault conditions is so high that it would not only melt the small cable but could also start a fire. If batteries are being paralleled then the cable connecting them should be no smaller than that fitted by the vehicle manufacturers. If a fuse is fitted AT THE VEHICLE BATTERY TERMINAL the size of the cable to the second battery could be reduced but the required cable size would need to be calculated by a competent electrical engineer. A second fuse would also be needed at the leisure battery terminal to protect the cable from a short circuit from that battery too.  Please don’t attempt to connect batteries ‘on the cheap’. Split charge relays are available or, as others have said, there are proprietary devices available to do this safely.

Amesford replied on 16/04/2020 08:15

Posted on 13/04/2020 11:59 by young thomas

do you have a voltmeter?....or can borrow one (while maintaining guidelines, of course)...

if so, you can check the state of the cab battery by placing the probes onto the cab battery terminals and it should read as follows...

dont plug in the Ehu just yet..

if the cab battery is at 13.9v or above (upto 14.4v) this means the solar panel is working and charging the cab battery....that would be great.

anything around 12.6/7v means the battery isnt being charged but is at full charge.

anything at 12.4v or lower means the battery is gradually discharging and could do with a charge from an external smart charger as suggested above.

in order to test the ehu we have to do the same type of test but need to ensure the correct start point.

if the solar charger is charging, this will corrupt the test so you remove the solar charger fuse (in line, close to the regulator) or cover the panel with a blanket if this is easy to do.

now you need to leave the ehu unplugged and with no solar for a day to allow the batteries to settle.

next day, measure the cab battery and then plug in the ehu cable and measure the cab battery again.

if the cab battery rises straight away to 13.9v or above (upto 14.4v) means the charger is working... again, now you know.

anything around 12.6/7v means the battery isnt being charged but is at full charge.

anything at 12.4v or lower means the battery is gradually discharging and could do with a charge from an external smart charger as suggested above.

with the knowledge from the above tests you can rely on solar, if working, ehu if solar not working or external chager if you find that neither solar nor ehu is doing the job.

good luck.

Posted on 16/04/2020 08:15

I find these useful I keep one in the car the other in the caravan, you can buy them for as little as a couple of quid

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