Gasless motorhomes

Pilgrimphil replied on 10/11/2020 15:10

Posted on 10/11/2020 15:10

It seems that compressor fridges are becoming more popular these days. 

Consideration is being given to a bespoke PVC that would incorporate a largish compressor fridge/freezer and a Combi diesel heater. This would do away with the requirement for large gas cylinders or tanks. However, a small canister/cylinder type gas hob would also be included along with an induction hob. Our main way of heating up food would be by microwave [when on hook up obviously]. 

We tend to normally use hook up but, for the odd days of wild camping [two nights at most], we are concerned that two leisure batteries might not be enough to power the fridge & heater [+ lighting & TV] without a solar power option included. 

Having only had absorption fridge/freezers on our motorhomes, we are seeking peoples experience of the above scenario. 

Thanks in advance,

 

Pilgrim Phil

 

rayjsj replied on 11/11/2020 21:54

Posted on 11/11/2020 21:54

Pilgrim, 

I have used an Autotrail V line 600 with an Isotherm compressor fridge for the last 5 years, it is the ONLY piece of original  kit that I would change, apart from the Media unit, but that's another story.

   It is a marine drawer unit and works very well PROVIDED you are on EHU, otherwise it can flatten an 110 ah leisure battery in a rainy day !  Even with the 100watt solar panel giving a good power, 2-3 days is the longest It has carried on working. 

So, if spending any time OFF of EHU, get a 3 way fridge and run it on gas.

Nothing wrong with a Compressor fridge, but they are 12v power hungry. In my experience.

Just noticed you are considering a diesel heater too, we also had a Webasto heater/hot water system on our 2005 Autocruise Starburst,  this too works very well, easily as good a our Truma Combi, BUT it too is very heavy on 12v power especially on start up,  definately 2 x 110 amp  and possibly bigger leisure batteries. To avoid problems.

Pilgrimphil replied on 12/11/2020 09:38

Posted on 12/11/2020 09:38

Thanks for all those comments & ideas - very thought provoking.

Comments on other forums have suggested having two lithium batteries & solar panels as the "draw" for the compressor fridge is, as others have stated, quite high & an AGM without a solar set up might struggle.

As I originally stated, any wild camping would only be for a couple of days/nights, so maybe just normal batteries & solar might suffice.

 

I'm told that the new generation of compressor fridges and diesel heaters are a lot quieter than they were. 

Thanks again all.

 

PilgrimPhil

 

SeasideBill replied on 12/11/2020 10:44

Posted on 11/11/2020 21:38 by DavidKlyne

Is there any advantage to a compressor fridge in a motorhome? The only one that springs to mind is probably cost as absorption fridges seem to be off the scale compare to a normal domestic versions. 

David

Posted on 12/11/2020 10:44

Cost is certainly a factor, but I guess the only other advantage with compressor fridges is they don’t require much gravity to work so no need to be concerned about levelling. I’m told you need to aim for less than 3 degrees side to side and 6 degrees front to back for the fridge to work properly. We’ve certainly parked up at sloping festival sites and struggled with the fridge. However, if you know you’re going to be off grid for a few days you can always turn up to max in advance and fill it with frozen stuff. Just requires planning, but some don’t appreciate planning their trips around the fridge temperature!

rayjsj replied on 12/11/2020 15:50

Posted on 12/11/2020 15:50

One thing to consider with 3 way absorption fridges is exterior vents required, which of course affects where the fridge can be positioned in the van.

viatorem replied on 13/11/2020 14:56

Posted on 11/11/2020 12:26 by peedee

I believe regardless of size they draw about 0.5 amps at 12 volts so I don't see a problem running it off a couple of leisure batteries.

Take the above statement with a pinch of salt. I have done some further checking and looking at the Waeco specs, average consumption can be anything between 3 to 5 amps depending on the size of the fridge. So for a 100APH battery you would get something like 20 to 30 hours running time if you were just running the fridge.

peeedee

Posted on 13/11/2020 14:56

I believe that a lithium battery could supply this amount of AH from the 100AH rated capacity, but a lead acid depending on type usually delivers 40-60%of rated capacity. Any more can result in shortened life. 

Lutz replied on 14/11/2020 13:21

Posted on 14/11/2020 13:21

Weinsberg already produce an electric-only caravan, the CaraCito, without any provisions for gas.

rayjsj replied on 14/11/2020 13:43

Posted on 14/11/2020 13:43

How would an 'electric only' caravan manage on 5amp supplied Continental sites ? Strange that Continental Maker Weinsberg are the first ones to produce one. Is there a market for such a thing ?

Notice from their advert, that air conditioning is standard, that's nearly all the 5amp gone already.

Seems that British sites were quite forward looking supplying 16amp as standard on  pitches.

LLM replied on 14/11/2020 13:59

Posted on 14/11/2020 13:43 by rayjsj

How would an 'electric only' caravan manage on 5amp supplied Continental sites ? Strange that Continental Maker Weinsberg are the first ones to produce one. Is there a market for such a thing ?

Posted on 14/11/2020 13:59

How would an 'electric only' caravan manage on 5amp supplied Continental sites?

Over time 5 amp would be able to charge a bank of lithium batteries which in turn could power most equipment continuously (e.g. a compressor fridge) and higher demand equipment (e.g a cooker and water heater) for some hours, especially if supported by the 24/7 5 amp supply, plus solar during the day.

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Posted on 14/11/2020 13:43 by rayjsj

How would an 'electric only' caravan manage on 5amp supplied Continental sites ? Strange that Continental Maker Weinsberg are the first ones to produce one. Is there a market for such a thing ?

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DavidKlyne replied on 14/11/2020 16:14

Posted on 14/11/2020 13:43 by rayjsj

How would an 'electric only' caravan manage on 5amp supplied Continental sites ? Strange that Continental Maker Weinsberg are the first ones to produce one. Is there a market for such a thing ?

Notice from their advert, that air conditioning is standard, that's nearly all the 5amp gone already.

Seems that British sites were quite forward looking supplying 16amp as standard on  pitches.

Posted on 14/11/2020 16:14

Don't forget that in Germany, albeit sometimes metered, usually has a 16 amp supply on camp sites so I suppose on home soil the Weinsberg would be fine?

David

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