Bailey and Carnuba Wax

briantimber replied on 06/11/2018 22:10

Posted on 06/11/2018 22:10

Well, I've finally read and digested all the literature associated with our new toy.

One thing troubles me, Bailey doesn't advocate the use of Carnuba Wax based products on their body panels.
I've done a bit of digging on various forums and can't find anything conclusive, does anybody have any ideas why?
Apparently, Baileys do endorse the use of Waterless Wash and Wax, which contains an element of Carnuba, so, to my mind they are contradicting themselves. 

I've sent an email to Baileys, but haven't heard back.

The reason I'm asking is because I've always used the Williams product on our old M'home without any ill effects. Plus I have a five litre bottle of the stuff to use.

Any Constructive comments appreciated.

Tammygirl replied on 06/11/2018 22:45

Posted on 06/11/2018 22:45

Strange we were advised NOT to use the Waterless Wash and Wax on our Bailey SE. 

Maybe the new ones are different.undecided

briantimber replied on 06/11/2018 23:07

Posted on 06/11/2018 22:45 by Tammygirl

Strange we were advised NOT to use the Waterless Wash and Wax on our Bailey SE. 

Maybe the new ones are different.undecided

Posted on 06/11/2018 23:07

Thanks TG, 

Your advice contradicts my internet findings....Curiouser and Curiouser.

My Bailey literature for our 2017 Advance 665 states.... "Do NOT apply carnuba based wax to the vehicle" Same as yours.

No reason or explanation given, other than I suppose, it may/will invalidate the warranty.

DavidKlyne replied on 07/11/2018 00:07

Posted on 07/11/2018 00:07

I have always used AutoGlym on my Bailey motorhome. Interestingly Bailey sell a complete range of AutoGlym products on their Prima here no mention of not using them on their motorhomes.

David

BlueVanMan replied on 07/11/2018 08:31

Posted on 07/11/2018 08:31

Be aware of the difference between "Polish" , "Wax Polish" and "Wax". "

Wax Polish" could be either or both.

Polish such as Autoglym super resin polish works by smoothing the treated surface. it does that by removing a very fine layer of paint or other top surface. Applying "Polish" gives no protection it is a cosmetic process.

Consequently you may need to apply polish rarely (perhaps after a period of years) to a vehicle which is dull and/or needing restoration.

Autoglym wax on the other hand is just that a wax which does provide protection. That protection depending on skill of application quality of wax and other factors should last for many months so you shouldn't need to wax more than twice a year say at the beginning and end of the season.

Autoglym Aquawax is a blend of Carnuba wax.

I can't explain why putting a layer of quality wax on a motorhome would be detrimental but I can understand why polishing might be. Perhaps there is a technical reason connected with the nature of the material (a composite pre-formed panel of some sort) from which the bodywork is formed. You should persist in getting an answer from Bailey.  

briantimber replied on 07/11/2018 10:10

Posted on 07/11/2018 08:31 by BlueVanMan

Be aware of the difference between "Polish" , "Wax Polish" and "Wax". "

Wax Polish" could be either or both.

Polish such as Autoglym super resin polish works by smoothing the treated surface. it does that by removing a very fine layer of paint or other top surface. Applying "Polish" gives no protection it is a cosmetic process.

Consequently you may need to apply polish rarely (perhaps after a period of years) to a vehicle which is dull and/or needing restoration.

Autoglym wax on the other hand is just that a wax which does provide protection. That protection depending on skill of application quality of wax and other factors should last for many months so you shouldn't need to wax more than twice a year say at the beginning and end of the season.

Autoglym Aquawax is a blend of Carnuba wax.

I can't explain why putting a layer of quality wax on a motorhome would be detrimental but I can understand why polishing might be. Perhaps there is a technical reason connected with the nature of the material (a composite pre-formed panel of some sort) from which the bodywork is formed. You should persist in getting an answer from Bailey.  

Posted on 07/11/2018 10:10

Thank you BVMan, for your very informative and interesting explanation.

Much appreciated.laughing

I will keep pushing Bailey's for a reply.

JVB66 replied on 07/11/2018 10:24

Posted on 07/11/2018 10:24

Our Bailey caravan is 3yrs now and all I have ever used on it is just plain warm water and the Grp body panels have alwas come up clean,our friends with their Bailey motor caravan 2013 biult do the same 

BlueVanMan replied on 07/11/2018 16:54

Posted on 06/11/2018 22:45 by Tammygirl

Strange we were advised NOT to use the Waterless Wash and Wax on our Bailey SE. 

Maybe the new ones are different.undecided

Posted on 07/11/2018 16:54

I meant to say in my earlier post that "waterless" cleaning processes should in my opinion never be used. Not because they contain wax but precisely because they are waterless and consequently almost guarantee that the surface being cleaned will be subject to abrasion.

 However you do it (and I use snow foam) the aim should be to gently wash off all surface dirt and especially any grit in a  away which is as non abrasive as possible. It is for that reason that JVB66's use of plain warm water is wise and it is apparently how old fashioned chauffeurs used to clean the Rolls. Nowadays I don't use a chamois either but instead microfibre cloths or mitts to wash and microfibre  towels to dry. 

Once you have a clean dry surface you can polish to the extent you need to and wax if that is appropriate. 

Phishing replied on 09/11/2018 22:54

Posted on 09/11/2018 22:54

Waterless cleaning is not an issue. The chemistry in them is really good and although I wouldn't detail a show car with it, it does clean and protect without scratching.

The only issue with Carnuba I can think of is that the pure stuff is hard and requires a fair bit of work to use it, i.e. more pressure. Caravan panels don't like pressure they tend to stretch very easily.

 

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