Towing a car with a Motorhome

Chrissy replied on 16/03/2018 21:12

Posted on 16/03/2018 21:12

Hi my husband and I plan to retire this year and travel around Europe.  Can anyone share advice about towing a Smart car on a braked A-frame.  Are they legal, and has anyone had problems towing a car with a Motorhome.

TonyIshUK replied on 17/03/2018 16:48

Posted on 17/03/2018 14:39 by eurortraveller

If you don't buy the Smartcar, or the A frame, or the trailer, and don't pay the extra ferry or tunnel fares, and if you save on the extra fuel costs of towing the car around, and don't have the insurance cost for the Smartcar, you can just hire a car in Europe when you need one, or take a taxi now and then. 

Posted on 17/03/2018 16:48

If you hire make sure you get insurance for hire car damage as the car rental companies are sharks in waiting.

We hired a number of times through Enterprise, but our last hire was an ""education". They kept £1000 on the credit card for a month then We were charged over £500 for a minor ding, probably caused by some one opening a door onto the side of the car.  

Had we of known the ding was there, we would have taken an extra days hire and got it fixed for less than £100.  Probably  l could have sorted it with a rub of cutting polish and a wax.

This experience is making us think that towing a car would be better option than hiring.

rgds

EmilysDad replied on 18/03/2018 00:48

Posted on 17/03/2018 14:18 by JVB66

Sorry i thought smarts were automaticsembarassed

Posted on 18/03/2018 00:48

You're correct. Smarts are automatic,  but as discussed here many times as tow cars, there are different flavours of automatic. Smarts use a manual gearbox with automated controls ie electrickery 'presses' the clutch & then changes gear & even though Mercedes cover their backsides by saying you can't tow a Smart because it's an auto, there are many Smarts that have been towed many a mile on the back of a motorhome/etc. 

'Proper' torque converter autos are typically restricted to being towed about 30 miles at a max speed of around 50mph before you break them.

replied on 18/03/2018 09:10

Posted on 17/03/2018 09:55 by young thomas

we've seen a couple pull into sites jn Spain but they have definitely taken a chance in doing it....perhaps they are happy with the risk if they have two drivers...?

however, it isn't legal as stated above....

Posted on 18/03/2018 09:10

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Randomcamper replied on 18/03/2018 14:10

Posted on 18/03/2018 14:10

All interesting reading........

We have just changed one of our family sized cars for a Pug 108, which we think will be adequate as a second car.  I looked at the cost of having it adapted for an A frame which is around £2k from both of the companies offering electronic braking, so have ordered a single axle trailer, which appears to be adequately rated, and is cheaper than the A Frame cost but allows me to swap the car willy nilly and I will adapt the trailer to carry my motorbike instead of the car if desired. This gives us the flexibility to tour with the van solo, which we do regularly or with a bike or small car behind us.....

Not sure yet how it will work in practice, but I liked the theory of it and have managed to convince the OH so far......!

 

 

Tinwheeler replied on 18/03/2018 14:35

Posted on 18/03/2018 14:10 by Randomcamper

All interesting reading........

We have just changed one of our family sized cars for a Pug 108, which we think will be adequate as a second car.  I looked at the cost of having it adapted for an A frame which is around £2k from both of the companies offering electronic braking, so have ordered a single axle trailer, which appears to be adequately rated, and is cheaper than the A Frame cost but allows me to swap the car willy nilly and I will adapt the trailer to carry my motorbike instead of the car if desired. This gives us the flexibility to tour with the van solo, which we do regularly or with a bike or small car behind us.....

Not sure yet how it will work in practice, but I liked the theory of it and have managed to convince the OH so far......!

 

 

Posted on 18/03/2018 14:35

Your trailer sounds ideal, TT. As has been said, a correctly rated single axle trailer is adequate for a small car.

Your MH does need to have adequate towing weight allowance for the car and trailer combined weight but you’ll have avoided making mods to the car which could greatly affect its trade in price in future.

Be aware that not all club staff are aware that no extra charge is made on site for either the car or the trailer - at least, that was the case back when we did it.

Randomcamper replied on 18/03/2018 14:56

Posted on 18/03/2018 14:56

Yes TW....

Trailer weighs 350kg, Pug weighs 840kg Total 1190kg

Autotrail rated to tow 1250kg so scrape within the limit.

I spoke to AT tech dept last week about nose weight limits etc....

I shall drive like Miss Daisy's grandmother when towing.....smile

JollyKernow replied on 18/03/2018 15:17

Posted on 18/03/2018 14:35 by Tinwheeler

Your trailer sounds ideal, TT. As has been said, a correctly rated single axle trailer is adequate for a small car.

Your MH does need to have adequate towing weight allowance for the car and trailer combined weight but you’ll have avoided making mods to the car which could greatly affect its trade in price in future.

Be aware that not all club staff are aware that no extra charge is made on site for either the car or the trailer - at least, that was the case back when we did it.

Posted on 18/03/2018 15:17

No charge for either as long as it all fits within the confines of your pitch TW.

I had a warden try and charge me for my car last year, I know you couldn't make it upfoot-in-mouthfrown

JK

Tinwheeler replied on 18/03/2018 15:48

Posted on 18/03/2018 14:56 by Randomcamper

Yes TW....

Trailer weighs 350kg, Pug weighs 840kg Total 1190kg

Autotrail rated to tow 1250kg so scrape within the limit.

I spoke to AT tech dept last week about nose weight limits etc....

I shall drive like Miss Daisy's grandmother when towing.....smile

Posted on 18/03/2018 15:48

Sounds like you’ve got it covered, TT. 👍🏻

Tinwheeler replied on 18/03/2018 15:54

Posted on 18/03/2018 15:17 by JollyKernow

No charge for either as long as it all fits within the confines of your pitch TW.

I had a warden try and charge me for my car last year, I know you couldn't make it upfoot-in-mouthfrown

JK

Posted on 18/03/2018 15:54

I had the call centre charge me an extra £2 p/n on a load of bookings, JK, then each had to be adjusted on site. One particular grumpy warden couple (now retired) argued the charge was right as it was another set of wheels. They only backed down when I said I was taking it up with HQ. It wasn’t the experience I needed on holiday.

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