Payloads

kentman replied on 10/01/2017 15:47

Posted on 10/01/2017 15:47

I'll begin by admitting that in raising the issue that follows I am, to some extent acknowledging some degree of failure on my part so, having fronted-up to that, here goes.

Two years ago, we swapped our Bailey Olympus for a Bailey Vigo series 3 and have, until recently been very happy with it.  In 2016, we visited Belgium, Switzerland, Italy and Germany during a six week tour, then Shropshire and Somerset, and finally South Wales so it covered a fair mileage.  In October, I put it into the dealer for a service only to be told that it had a `broken axle'.  This was a surprise as a friend with an identical caravan had the same problem a few months earlier.  I understand from my dealer that the term `broken axle' is not technically correct as the actual problem is with a failure of an arm which goes into a rubber bush.

My enquiries suggest that this problem has arisen with a number of caravans with the current Al-Ko chassis and there have previously been threads on this website about this.  The issue which I wish to raise is that of payloads.  Bailey are repairing my caravan (as they did my friend's) as a matter of `goodwill', but we have both been told that we have overloaded our caravans.  When we bought the Vigo, I assumed that its payload would be similar to that of the Olympus because they are both Bailey AluTech of similar dimensions but I now discover that the payload of the Vigo is 25% less than that of the Olympus.  The Vigo's payload is 154kg (almost identical to similar Swift or Coachman vans) but this reduces to 100kg if you have a motor mover and leisure battery (ie. equivalent to 4 or 5 suitcases of the size accepted by airlines). This seems totally inadequate for a caravan which may be take away for a number of weeks at a time, especially when the weight of a second gas cylinder must also be deducted from the payload.  We are lured into choosing caravans by vast arrays of cupboards, under-bed storage and floor-to-ceiling fridges but the effectively told we have to put everything in the car to travel.  According to an article in `another camping and caravanning magazine' this month, the drive for lightness is to make caravans towable by cars which are also increasingly being made lighter but the reality is that, in my view, caravans seem to be in danger of becoming increasingly unfit for purpose.

For myself, I will have to evaluate for next season whether we can realistically keep within the payload for our caravan without constantly swapping stuff between the car and the caravan (we gave up camping to get away from that) or whether we must start looking for another caravan.  I can't help but feel that we are being taken for a ride, even though you can truthfully say that I have been party to my problem.

JVB66 replied on 13/01/2017 11:48

Posted on 13/01/2017 11:48

Until buyers in the UK change the way that they expect all the bells and whistles in a van that can have an MPTLM that can be towed by a 1600cc petrol small saloon,there is no way there can be a larger payload,

ChrisWolverson replied on 01/02/2017 23:37

Posted on 01/02/2017 23:37

I always assumed that the payload quoted related only to the amount of wine which could be carried. Oh dear. :-)

Freedom a whitebox replied on 02/02/2017 10:25

Posted on 02/02/2017 10:25

Not capable of putting a sticker on!

After reading discussions on here about payload and warranty issues, I decided that as I had totally emptied the caravan out for its service, I would weight all those essentials that I believe are required for my caravaning enjoyment. I also researched the weights of the addition bits and bobs like the motor mover, on board tank and levelling system that have been installed on my Bailey Valencia. And I didn't forget the battery, before some kind person reminds me.

Well the bailey has a stated payload of 154 and with all of my goodies( not accounting for food that I load the fridge up with before I set off) came in at 189kg. 😕

I do carry the awning and other bulking items in the tugger!

Anyway, a quick look on the bailey website and a quick click of a button and I was the proud expectant owner of a upgrade kit, raising the payload to 211kg- sorted🙂

Now ten days later the postman has delivered the upgrade kit to make me legal, which should keep any weight inspecting authorities happy -not forgetting Bailey/Alko, should I suffer any axle problems that seem to be common. And more importantly give peace of mind.
On opening the large box, I had a sticker embossed with the new weights with the word upgrade clearly shown. Certificate of compliance. And copy of invoice.

On the bottom of the invoice marked in red was the instruction. To maintain your warranty cover, these items must be fitted by an approved Bailey retailer or service centre.

Really? Not being one to belittle the skills of a dealer or any tradesperson, I'm sure that putting a sticker on the side of my caravan won't be cause for breach of warranty🤔

And yes, I was brave enough to do it unsupervised!

ocsid replied on 02/02/2017 13:06

Posted on 02/02/2017 13:06

 

So, if the axle fails and Bailey look up the records, then seeing from this post you had abused it before sticking the magic label on, are they going to cover it under the warranty? wink

 

 

Freedom a whitebox replied on 02/02/2017 13:26

Posted on 02/02/2017 13:06 by ocsid

 

So, if the axle fails and Bailey look up the records, then seeing from this post you had abused it before sticking the magic label on, are they going to cover it under the warranty? wink

 

 

Posted on 02/02/2017 13:26

Joking aside, it's in its third year now and what with some of the comments on warranty issues, I guess that I would be paying for it myself anyway. Plus with the timescales involved, I wouldn't want to lose it for such a ridiculous period, (as some have on here) only to find that they won't pay anyway. 

This pastime is about enjoying it, not worrying about it. 

JVB66 replied on 02/02/2017 14:23

Posted on 02/02/2017 10:25 by Freedom a whitebox

Not capable of putting a sticker on!

After reading discussions on here about payload and warranty issues, I decided that as I had totally emptied the caravan out for its service, I would weight all those essentials that I believe are required for my caravaning enjoyment. I also researched the weights of the addition bits and bobs like the motor mover, on board tank and levelling system that have been installed on my Bailey Valencia. And I didn't forget the battery, before some kind person reminds me.

Well the bailey has a stated payload of 154 and with all of my goodies( not accounting for food that I load the fridge up with before I set off) came in at 189kg. 😕

I do carry the awning and other bulking items in the tugger!

Anyway, a quick look on the bailey website and a quick click of a button and I was the proud expectant owner of a upgrade kit, raising the payload to 211kg- sorted🙂

Now ten days later the postman has delivered the upgrade kit to make me legal, which should keep any weight inspecting authorities happy -not forgetting Bailey/Alko, should I suffer any axle problems that seem to be common. And more importantly give peace of mind.
On opening the large box, I had a sticker embossed with the new weights with the word upgrade clearly shown. Certificate of compliance. And copy of invoice.

On the bottom of the invoice marked in red was the instruction. To maintain your warranty cover, these items must be fitted by an approved Bailey retailer or service centre.

Really? Not being one to belittle the skills of a dealer or any tradesperson, I'm sure that putting a sticker on the side of my caravan won't be cause for breach of warranty🤔

And yes, I was brave enough to do it unsupervised!

Posted on 02/02/2017 14:23

If i may ask, how did you get your upgrade kit? as i have tried to get one for our Genoa but cannot find a way of obtaining it via their website

Freedom a whitebox replied on 02/02/2017 14:51

Posted on 02/02/2017 14:23 by JVB66

If i may ask, how did you get your upgrade kit? as i have tried to get one for our Genoa but cannot find a way of obtaining it via their website

Posted on 02/02/2017 14:51

Hi JBV66, I just logged on and searched it. 

I've just looked and I can see the Pegasus Genoa max upgrade kits on there. 

Just type it in and flick through. I saw them on the second page. 

I hope this helps 

Freedom a whitebox replied on 03/02/2017 08:30

Posted on 02/02/2017 21:44 by kentman

According to my dealer an upgrade is not possible for my Unicorn Vigo 3.

Posted on 03/02/2017 08:30

Hi Kentman, what dealer do you use, out of interest?

The Unicorn  Vigo 3 upgrade is available part number 1190226. Sorry I don't know how to do the link , so maybe if someone who can is looking in he will be able to post it on for you. Other that that just log into the Bailey website and search it 

The plate only gives you an additional allowance of 57kg, and @ £60 you have to decide if it's worth it. In reality it isn't any form of modification, just a weight plate sticker and the associated paperwork. 

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