Limp-mode every time when towing caravan

Snowy1 replied on 01/06/2013 23:53

Posted on 01/06/2013 23:53

Does your car go into limp-mode every time you tow your caravan after about 5 miles or so, you clear it by cycling the ignition switch and it happens again after a few more miles and so on? if so, I may have the answer to your problem. I have been reading on the web that some caravan owners have experienced this problem with many newish cars. When taking their car to the local franchise, the vehicle diagnostic equipment says that there is not an engine management fault and everything appears to be programed correctly within the cars electronics and ECU, in other words, they cannot find anything wrong which would be likely to course this to keep happening.

Before reading on, it might be a good idea to read one of my previous posts titled "Future use of pin 12 within the euro plug" this will give you a clearer insight as to what I am going to explain next.

In recent years motor vehicles have become very sophisticated electronically and vehicle ECU's control just about everything within a modern vehicle, these vehicle ECU's are now so sensitive that any slight difference to any standard programed tolerance can course the vehicle to go into limp-mode. When connecting a heavy trailer such as a caravan to a modern vehicle, the vehicle, like vehicles manufactured in years gone by will require more fuel, more air and more power will be demanded from the vehicle engine as it is pulling more weight than it would be solo. In past years this has not been a problem as cars were not ECU controlled or ECU controlled cars built a few years ago, the ECU's were not as sensitive as they are today. We now have a problem with some modern cars and over the next few years I believe this problem is going to become worse unless the vehicles ECU knows when you connect your caravan to your tow-car so it can make engine management changes ETC to allow for the towing of a heavy trailer preventing the vehicle switching into limp-mode. So in these modern times, how can the vehicles ECU detect when a trailer is connected to a tow-car? Some modern vehicles can detect a coupled trailer automatically by sensing additional bulbs and extra weight on the rear suspension ETC when a trailer is first connected to the vehicle, there should be no limp-mode problems with vehicles with this type of detection. We now get down to the route of the problem with the said vehicles that are repeatedly going into limp-mode when a caravan is connected. The ECU's on many modern vehicles built within the past few years are programed to detect a connected trailer through pin 12 within the euro plug, this is causing problems as some tow-bar fitters are not connecting relevant wire from the vehicles ECU to this pin. This maybe due to them fitting universal seven-way bypass relays to power the trailers road lighting or fitting none franchise tow-electric kits that are not compatible to use with the pin 12 detection function. It may mean that you may have to pay twice and have your current tow-electrics replaced by a genuine franchise tow-electrical kit that is solely manufactured for your vehicle alone, this maybe the only way of curring the limp-mode problem. To this end, if your vehicles ECU needs to know that you are towing by detecting through pin 12, you must address this in order to solve the problem.

WARNING; You must link pin 12 to pin 3 within your caravans euro plug so it can signal your cars ECU through pin 12 otherwise the detection will not function. Your tow-bar fitter may of wired your tow-electrics correctly but your system is not detecting due to your caravans euro plug has not had pins 12 and 3 bridged together, this may only be the problem, so I advise you to check this first.

Good luck

Snowy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ScreenName83057722F7 replied on 21/07/2020 22:46

Posted on 21/07/2020 22:46

Great post Snowy and gives me somewhere to start with my "limp mode" issue with my 2007 VW Jetta DSG. Just had a tow bar fitted by a national firm and will be calling them tomorrow about the fault arising today. I suspected that it was an issue with the "electronic conversation" between the car and the caravan. So the "Pin 12" identity is very germane. Once I had limped home at 45 mph and no more than 2,000 rpm (unless in sport and kicking down hard) I took the car alone out for a spin. No problems whatsoever. Pulling uphill like a monster.

MDD10 replied on 23/07/2020 07:30

Posted on 23/07/2020 07:30

Does the fitting of a vehicle specific wiring loom address the problem.  I had to have the type approved loom as the vehicle was new and in warranty but the fitters also mentioned that it meant the car ECU recognised it was towing and in fact it brought up a message to this effect that the rear parking sensors had been disabled.  Was told with conventional cramps splicing in the car wiring that this would not occur.

ScreenName83057722F7 replied on 24/07/2020 23:09

Posted on 23/07/2020 07:30 by MDD10

Does the fitting of a vehicle specific wiring loom address the problem.  I had to have the type approved loom as the vehicle was new and in warranty but the fitters also mentioned that it meant the car ECU recognised it was towing and in fact it brought up a message to this effect that the rear parking sensors had been disabled.  Was told with conventional cramps splicing in the car wiring that this would not occur.

Posted on 24/07/2020 23:09

One of the actions I am considering is a VW specific wiring loom which deals with the pin 12 & 3 issue and ensures the ECM knows I am towing a tonne of caravan .

ScreenName83057722F7 replied on 24/07/2020 23:10

Posted on 23/07/2020 14:25 by lornalou1

wow! 7 year old post found. Your probably the only member to find something from the search engine. surprised

Posted on 24/07/2020 23:10

Found the original post from Snowy through Google 👍😂

ScreenNameBA4C2FCDC7 replied on 22/07/2022 12:50

Posted on 22/07/2022 12:50

Hi this post has been up a long time, so hopefully someone can help my audi a6 is going into limp mode every time I take the caravan out. Pin 12 isn't connected to the car the fitter said it n/a but after doing some research it is, so my question is where abouts is pin 12 connected to on the car?? Apparently I have a universal wire loom with towbar

TimboC replied on 22/07/2022 18:50

Posted on 22/07/2022 18:50

Had a similar problem on our 2016 Ford Kuga. Went into limp mode going over the Blackdown Hills on the way to Sidmouth (25mph with pedal to the metal! Luckily there was tractor chugging along about 10 vehicles ahead which saved my embarrasment)

Pulled into a lay by, switched off and the problem went. Got to site and called Green Flag who diagnosed a sticking oil solenoid valve.

Had it swapped, and so far ok

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