Nose weight conundrum

GarethC replied on 11/06/2024 18:42

Posted on 11/06/2024 18:42

Can anyone explain please, why if for example I set my nose weight to 85kg with milenco gauge or bathroom scales, can I still lift the hitch up with both hands?

I mean that's like 3 bags of cement and I know for a fact that I can barely lift one bag.

I've asked several people who set this and all agree it's relatively easy to lift the hitch up but none of them would remotely be able to lift a fraction of 85kg.

I just can't get my head around this despite being in engineering all my life and am aware of leverage, moments, pivot points etc.

I'm thinking surely there must be a simple explanation.

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eribaMotters replied on 17/06/2024 21:46

Posted on 17/06/2024 21:46

Gareth, you are not lifting an 85kg weight, you are tilting an 85kg weight. I have owned cast iron woodwork machinery that weighs in at nearly 400kg and I've been able to raise one end to get a trolley underneath, but I'm dammed sure I could not lift 400kg. It is to do with levers, fulcrums, moments of force and pivot points. 

Colin

Ps, you will only get a true reading from. Your nose weight gauge if the van is sitting on a level surface and the gauge is sitting on a flat solid surface. 

ChemicalJasper replied on 20/06/2024 11:50

Posted on 20/06/2024 11:50

I think you are just underestimating your strength Gareth!

I agree you are lifting 85kg, but you are doing it with your legs (and back if lifting poorly), which is not a significant amount, have you tried to curl the caravan, I bet you cannot!

As someone else pointed out, this is only a medium side person, which I assume you could lift, even though you may not be able to wrestle 3 bags of cement.

Also remember that as you lift, the rotation about the fulcrum will change the centre of gravity, moving it backwards and act to lighten the load on the nose, though unless you are tipping it right up, this will only be minimal.

 

MikeyA replied on 20/06/2024 20:11

Posted on 17/06/2024 20:20 by LLM

If the measured downward force was 85 kgs it will required the same upward force to begin lifting at the same point assuming that all other parameters remain the same.  

Posted on 20/06/2024 20:11

Totally agree with your statement

Let's assume that the hitch is at exactly the height it was when the downward force was 85kg. The initial force required to raise the hitch by a mm will obviously be 85kgs. Admittedly the nose weight will reduce as the hitch is raised: eventually the noseweight will reach zero and then become negative.

Conversel,y the lower the hitch is to the ground the heavier the hitch will become - I'm sure many of us on here have had the misfortune for the jockey wheel to slip with the hitch ending up on the ground, It then becoming a 2 man job to raise the hitch to its normal height.

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