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thanks for that info didn't know that about private sites as just thought prices were car+caravan +2 adults +2 kids I may look at them or Cls in the summer months if I want to go away for the odd night and the club sites are full I can book time off from work in June and Sep ,so I skim round peak rates except bank hols ..

It's well worth a good look at some of the CLs, and small private sites. A lot are ex CL or CS, so have good standards. We won't pay more than £18 average per night if we can help it, only paying more if we really need to be in a particular area, but we make up for it by having some cheaper nights usually. I do appreciate that it is a lot on a single wage, and does seem unfair regarding only having a small outfit. Classic example was a lovely site we use up in Northumberland, loos and showers. For the two of us, it cost £15 per night, but when owner found that I was heading home, and my hubby staying on, she reduced the price down a good bit for him!  There are some lovely owners out there, not by any means all about extracting as much cash as possible. We have returned to Site a couple of times now, and she knows we are good customers! UK campsites is very useful!

Well I suppose the argument is that if kids these days have to take time off for throwing up (and all the other minor ailments, allergies etc that they seem to have these days) together with numerous days off for a bit of snow, wind blowing etc. then I suppose they cannot afford to have even more time off to save their parents a few quid on the holidays.

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I don't think people always realise how lucky most of us are. State funded education, paid from work holidays and lots more. I agree a sense of prospective is needed. My grandparents, we are a family of late starters, all born in the 1890s probably only knew what a holiday was once their children had grown and flown and we're given the opportunity to join them and their family on a week in a static van on the coast. 😉.

No I'm not advocating going back to those days 😲

Late starters my father was born in 1898,one of 14, grandad was Gamekeeper to Edward vii at Sandringham,we never went on holiday when i was at school, only went to relations houses

Ps i was born in Kensington near where father was working

It was the early 1980's when we first went abroad.....on the cheapest package holiday going.

By then we had bought our first house after years of no holidays and saving like mad, married on the cheap and furnished the house with second hand furniture.

So we didn't moan about not being able to afford a house deposit and didn't rely on the bank of mum and dad. There again, we didn't have a collection of expensive gadgets and a list of exotic foreign holidays under our belt either.

well strangely enough with both both my wife and I having to survive in a 'teachers salary' as someone put it, we started teaching in September 1983 and we married in 1984 but had bought a house before we were married. we had overseas holiday till the kids were born in 1993 and we certainly didn't have second hand furniture. I guess that teaching isn't such a bad career choice after all

Aahh but then I went on to do further qualifications (at my own expense,, not taxpayers, of course) and in my own time and, having gained qualifications far higher than a teacher has, things improved considerably.

Everything comes to him who waits.......and puts in the hard graft.

But then i do not think that any "qualification" that anyone "earns"after they have been through school can beat the qualification that is needed to become a teacher   ,we have several friends who are or have been  teachers in all types of schools, and although they take a lot of "stick" about their work periods(holidays)  it is because of their dedication to us that we get the incentives to start on our future professions,