A Conversation at the NEC

GoneRoving replied on 23/02/2023 19:07

Posted on 23/02/2023 19:07

I’ve just returned from the Caravan, Camping & Motorhome Show Athena NEC. While there, I visited the CAMC site and asked if there was an Executive Committee member available for me to meet. I was introduced to such a person and I explained I had some concerns which led me to be dissatisfied with the Club

Although in the course of the conversation I was able to raise several moans I have about the CAMC, it was the first issue that we discussed that I found most interesting. This is the cost of staying on CAMC sites which, I feel, is very high. I learnt that the cost of electricity and, more especially, the considerable amount been used by members is a real issue at the present time. If I understood correctly, last year there was a significant loss running sites due to this. Apparently folk are consuming a lot of electricity during their stay. An example that was referred to is the heating of awnings. I suggested that if the cost of pitch fees was high, then people staying on sites were going to feel incentivised to use a lot of electricity. Maybe, I also suggested, if the expense of staying was reduced and a reminder or campaign to drive electricity use down was put in place a 'sweet spot could be achieved. (“Sweet spot” seemed to become my word of the day!) I did suggest that aim of a ‘club ethos’ over such a matter is possible, although I felt that my interlocutor felt I was rather naive. I’m left thinking that site fees include an element a premium to deal with the loss I’ve mentioned earlier.

My other issues are those others have raised: the disincentive provided by the new booking system and the new payment of a deposit. 

In the course of the conversation I was told I was the first person to have raised any issues about the Club since the show had opened which was three days ago. I also learnt that this particular committee member believes that there are about forty regular critics of the Club who use Club Together. With over 3500,000 members the voice of so few doesn’t carry much weight. That was my impression.

I am grateful for the discussion I had and I hope I have not misrepresented what as said.

 

Rufs replied on 26/02/2023 16:01

Posted on 26/02/2023 14:32 by JohnM20

You're obviously on a very good deal, Rufs. Most people that I have spoken to locally say that their electric price now is close to, if not actually at, the governments capped figure of £0.34 per unit. A CL that we know have metered pitches. Their commercial rate for electric is £1.05 per kW which is the price that they charge users via the meter. At that rate it is probably cheaper to heat water and run the fridge etc using LPG.

Posted on 26/02/2023 16:01

yes, lecce provider screwed up and gave me a 3 year fixed deal at the same price as my previous 3 year deal, silly billies,

Wow £1.05 per kw, would not be heating the awning at those rates, not that we tour much in the UK, and certainly not in the winter months.

not long returned from Spain €0.15 per kw, with a 5kw free allowance per day, and €15 per day for pitch, we sure are doing something wrong in this country.

p.s. fully serviced very large pitch, 7.3mtr caravan, awning, car and still ample space to sit outside.

brue replied on 26/02/2023 16:32

Posted on 26/02/2023 16:32

The gov.uk electricity cap of 34p per kwh comes to an end this March and so does the gas cap.

Tammygirl replied on 26/02/2023 17:38

Posted on 26/02/2023 16:01 by Rufs

yes, lecce provider screwed up and gave me a 3 year fixed deal at the same price as my previous 3 year deal, silly billies,

Wow £1.05 per kw, would not be heating the awning at those rates, not that we tour much in the UK, and certainly not in the winter months.

not long returned from Spain €0.15 per kw, with a 5kw free allowance per day, and €15 per day for pitch, we sure are doing something wrong in this country.

p.s. fully serviced very large pitch, 7.3mtr caravan, awning, car and still ample space to sit outside.

Posted on 26/02/2023 17:38

That's a very good rate for Spain, the sites we were on were 45c and 47c with a 4kw allowance, Acsi rate. Where you on over 31 days rate. What site was it please. 

JollyKernow replied on 26/02/2023 17:56

Posted on 26/02/2023 13:35 by Rufs

not screaming as cant really dispute your figures as i have no idea what the going rate for lecce is on a campsite, at home we are on a 3 year fixed tariff at 12.5 pence per kw so i guess if the blower on thermostat is only running for a total of 30 mins then you get something like 6 pence, surprised a TV is so low on power, but as said dont have one in the caravan, however, if things like a TV etc are so low on power i am puzzled as to how the lecce consumption on sights has risen so much, well that is what the club say.

Posted on 26/02/2023 17:56

Here's an example from my site, 90 pitches, no toilet block. Last year (2022) we had an increase in consumption of 20% on the 2021 season. Ok you might say, new toys etc, but, the occupancy was 30% less than'21, so people are using more. With the electric price rise we ended up with a bill of 3 times the projected budget.

JK

JollyKernow replied on 26/02/2023 18:01

Posted on 26/02/2023 17:38 by Tammygirl

That's a very good rate for Spain, the sites we were on were 45c and 47c with a 4kw allowance, Acsi rate. Where you on over 31 days rate. What site was it please. 

Posted on 26/02/2023 18:01

 That rate doesn't sound right. We overwintered at Alannia resort (Camping Marjal) for 7 years and the rate was 35c after the 4kw allowance (12 month rate) and the site we moved to before lockdown was 40c with no allowance (2020).

JK

 

JollyKernow replied on 26/02/2023 18:05

Posted on 26/02/2023 18:05

Thinking forward, when all sites pitches are metered, that will effectively make every pitch on the whole network a non electric pitch until / if you plug in. Food for thoughtsmile

JK

Tammygirl replied on 26/02/2023 19:32

Posted on 26/02/2023 18:01 by JollyKernow

 That rate doesn't sound right. We overwintered at Alannia resort (Camping Marjal) for 7 years and the rate was 35c after the 4kw allowance (12 month rate) and the site we moved to before lockdown was 40c with no allowance (2020).

JK

 

Posted on 26/02/2023 19:32

JK, I can assure you that was the rate we paid in November last year at Los Madriles and the site at Benicarlo. Both sites apologised that the charge had gone up. As it happens we paid nothing as we were within allowance.

Or were you replying to rufs🤔

Hja replied on 26/02/2023 19:41

Posted on 26/02/2023 13:35 by Rufs

not screaming as cant really dispute your figures as i have no idea what the going rate for lecce is on a campsite, at home we are on a 3 year fixed tariff at 12.5 pence per kw so i guess if the blower on thermostat is only running for a total of 30 mins then you get something like 6 pence, surprised a TV is so low on power, but as said dont have one in the caravan, however, if things like a TV etc are so low on power i am puzzled as to how the lecce consumption on sights has risen so much, well that is what the club say.

Posted on 26/02/2023 19:41

Well I dont know what analysis the Club, or other site owners have, but there have been reports of high amounts of electricity used on sites, not just CAMC sites.  I do think that where electricity is included in the pitch price then there is a tendency to use electricity where ever possible - so heating, hot water,  cooking, kettle, fridge.  I also wonder is people leave their hot water/heating on all day & evening, whether in the van or not.  Now obviously thermostats will cut in, but I guess vans are less thermally efficient than most homes.  So leave heating on all day whilst you are out will clock up quite a lot of electricity.

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JollyKernow replied on 26/02/2023 20:13

Posted on 26/02/2023 19:32 by Tammygirl

JK, I can assure you that was the rate we paid in November last year at Los Madriles and the site at Benicarlo. Both sites apologised that the charge had gone up. As it happens we paid nothing as we were within allowance.

Or were you replying to rufs🤔

Posted on 26/02/2023 20:13

Sorry TG, yes I was replying to rufs. Been to Spain for 13 years and even back then it was never 15cundecided

JK

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