Politically incorrect Christmas adverts

redface replied on 11/11/2018 19:55

Posted on 11/11/2018 19:55

'On a positive note, online shopping reduces traffic along with its pollution.'

Sorry Jenny but I disagree with you on that, after all whilst you and I may not go down to the shops in our cars the vans are now trundling up and down our roads instead!

jennyc replied on 11/11/2018 22:44

Posted on 11/11/2018 19:55 by redface

'On a positive note, online shopping reduces traffic along with its pollution.'

Sorry Jenny but I disagree with you on that, after all whilst you and I may not go down to the shops in our cars the vans are now trundling up and down our roads instead!

Posted on 11/11/2018 22:44

I don’t mind you disagreeing Redface, but research refutes your beliefs.

This is an extract from a very comprehensive 68 page report on E-commerce and its growing partner M-commerce (from mobile devices).if you fancy a long technical read, find 

https://www.racfoundation.org/wpcontent/uploads/2017/11/The_Implications_of_Internet_Shopping_Growth_on_the_Van_Fleet_and_Traffic_Activity_Braithwaite_May_17.pdf Thanks 

“• Perhaps surprisingly, online e-commerce has probably contributed to a modest reduction in overall traffic; parcel delivery vans contribution to congestion is substantially exaggerated.”

You may be relieved to learn that I was researching something quite unrelated when I found the statement.

I suppose that one van carrying many parcels has to be compared to the environmental benefits of bus travel.

 

brue replied on 12/11/2018 15:21

Posted on 11/11/2018 10:01 by Rocky 2 buckets

Fair point, but to that I’d say-‘just say no’(with thanks to the anti Drug ads of yesteryear👍🏻) it ain’t too hard🤔. Children are moulded into what Parents want/allow☹️

Posted on 12/11/2018 15:21

The Iceland message, which was banned for being political was in the "say no" to Palm Oil camp. It's possible to do this by reading ingredient lists on products. Palm Oil seems to have crept into so many things, we managed without it previously but it's being foisted on us.

LINK to further Iceland info. concerning the environment.

ValDa replied on 12/11/2018 21:11

Posted on 12/11/2018 15:21 by brue

The Iceland message, which was banned for being political was in the "say no" to Palm Oil camp. It's possible to do this by reading ingredient lists on products. Palm Oil seems to have crept into so many things, we managed without it previously but it's being foisted on us.

LINK to further Iceland info. concerning the environment.

Posted on 12/11/2018 21:11

Palm oil is not only environmentally destructive but working practices on the plantations are very dubious too.  Amnesty International have long been campaigning that even 'sustainable palm oil' is anything but and uses cheap and 'slave' labour!  Avoid it if you can, and if enough of us do, then the manufacturers may just get the idea that we're no longer willing to accept it as a cheaper alternative  to other oils and fats.

There are some big-brand names which use palm oil - so you can avoid it by not buying Magnum ice-cream, Colgate toothpaste, Dove cosmetics, Knorr soup, KitKat, Pantene shampoo, Ariel, and Pot Noodle.  It's in a lot of other products too - check on the ingredients list if you want to avoid it.

 

ChemicalJasper replied on 13/11/2018 00:16

Posted on 11/11/2018 22:44 by jennyc

I don’t mind you disagreeing Redface, but research refutes your beliefs.

This is an extract from a very comprehensive 68 page report on E-commerce and its growing partner M-commerce (from mobile devices).if you fancy a long technical read, find 

https://www.racfoundation.org/wpcontent/uploads/2017/11/The_Implications_of_Internet_Shopping_Growth_on_the_Van_Fleet_and_Traffic_Activity_Braithwaite_May_17.pdf Thanks 

“• Perhaps surprisingly, online e-commerce has probably contributed to a modest reduction in overall traffic; parcel delivery vans contribution to congestion is substantially exaggerated.”

You may be relieved to learn that I was researching something quite unrelated when I found the statement.

I suppose that one van carrying many parcels has to be compared to the environmental benefits of bus travel.

 

Posted on 13/11/2018 00:16

I guess it depends on what you are thinking about when you consider internet shopping.

For the likes of amazon etc., where delivery vans run optimised routes from main distribution centres, this must reduce average cost per mile of items delivered and reduce individual car journeys.

However, for the likes of Tesco for example, where routings are not so optimised, as they are dictated by the customer, booking for a certain time slot, I imaging this could be less efficient running a big van all over the place, that going to the shop yourself?!

 

mickysf replied on 13/11/2018 06:05

Posted on 13/11/2018 06:05

I still cannot fathom why the ad was banned. I also fail to see what on earth it has to do with Christmas. Please someone enlighten me.

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mickysf replied on 13/11/2018 07:33

Posted on 13/11/2018 07:07 by

I may be wrong but I believe it it has been banned because it is considered political, not politically incorrect, simply because it is a very slight revamp of a Green Peace ad/film, see:

https://www.greenpeace.org.uk/what-we-do/forests/rang-tan/

I can't really see much of a Christmas connection either.

The whole thing is very sad.  It’s a great move by Iceland. Worth watching and thought provoking. We try not to buy anything containing palm oil. We don’t need it. It’s an unnecessary addition and when washed ashore in clumps it poisons dogs!  Perhaps we should all spread the message.

Posted on 13/11/2018 07:33

Sad, certainly but even more, sinister in that the motive and the faceless behind the banning seek to hide the truth. Fact is, like the tobacco & petroleum industries, they are powerful enough to force censorship and heap fake news on the masses to protect their own interests.

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brue replied on 13/11/2018 09:06

Posted on 13/11/2018 09:06

The Say No to Palm Oil ad ban is a very suspicious form of political manoeuvring and a great change from the usual overtly commercial and sickly Christmas selling spree. However if you read the previous link to Iceland's environment policy they are attempting to eradicate palm oil from their products and have a time frame for this. I don't use Iceland,  there is no shop near me, but they are using a green sticker on products that are palm oil free. I've noticed in some of our locally made pies that palm oil has crept in to the pastry, when did we ever need palm oil for good pastry?

 

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