Site speed limits

DS3

I think I get the point "cannot do 5MPH", but it is wrong. Most cars are autos these days so sticking it in 1st is not really an option, even in manual mode. The car will still auto shift up to 2nd to keep the revs within the engine's requirements.

In my case, my car will not crawl at 5mph even with foot off throttle. Its natural tickover is circa 8mph, so I drive around sites with foot constantly on the brake to keep to 5mph. And so should others.

Just to put this in perspective, I am a member of my village speedwatch team. Our results echo what is said above re arrogant, entitled drivers. We are a village on an A road with houses both sides and a 30mph limit, a 2 mile stretch. We average around 25 speeders an hour, mainly in the 40's, some in the 50's and an extreme one last week doing 92mph - yes, you read that correctly. We get loads of abuse from drivers, both gesticulations and shouted at. We have kids hanging out of windows telling us to f*** off. What kind of parenting is that.

😲 Going backwards then.  🤪🤣

One year we were at Lakeside not long after it had been revamped, we were driving solo off site, were were overtaken by a car towing a pop up camping trailer, they drove over occupied pitches overtaking both us and the vehicle in front.

We assume they must have been in a hurry.

-2 FROM 5 =3  so no still going forwards. 

Apart from the cars we also have children on bikes and more recently electric scooters going well above the 5MPH speed limit and quite frequently going the wrong way round the sites one way system, this is seen by wardens on numerous occasions and I have yet to see any of them having a word with those involved.

I agree you do see this and my own view, if controversial, is that electric scooters should be banned from sites. These are an absolute menace in my opinion – and not just on caravan sites. But moving around the site on push bikes or a push-scooter is a big part of the fun the children have and stopping them going the wrong way is pretty difficult; I know people will say it’s up to the parents, but how much harm does this really do?

Travelling too fast is the bigger threat but, on push bikes, young children are not going to be going at “well above” 5 mph very often – except perhaps when they have races!

What I take from Broxmeister’s post is that these things are all the more reason – indeed one of the principal reasons – why motorised transport should always stick to the 5mph speed limit.

I think all motorised scooters, except mobility buggies, are banned from club sites.

I agree about banning electric scooters, but in reality how much difference is there between an electric scooter and an electric bike?  Both are capable of going well above 5mph with no effort from the rider.  I'm not sure why one is banned and the other not?  Neither have insurance. Neither need a licence to ride.  Both cause damage and injury if they hit a pedestrian or other object.  Bikes do tend to have lights but so do some scooters.  Both are capable of going well in excess of 5mph and often above 30mph.  So in reality both are equally dangerous.

The only difference I can see is the type of person riding them.  E Scooters, younger riders and e bikes, older riders.  Younger people tend to take more risks so are more likely to use the e scooter in a reckless manner.  But that is tarring a whole group of people as being reckless and foolish, and the other not which I'm sure is not wholly deserving.  A bit of both I'm sure in reality.

But all this is taking away the point of my original post.  How do we, and by we I mean the Club as a whole including it's members, try to encourage people to drive or ride at 5 mph or less while on site?  Nobody has come up with a better idea than speed bumps every 10 yards which in my view is impractical and probably more costly than my original idea.

Someone said that flashing signs don't work.  I disagree they do slow people down.  We also have one in our village and I often see people braking when the sign flashes up that they are going faster than 30mph.  Okay not all will abide with the speed limit or take any notice, but I'm sure the majority would. 

Although I can see kids maybe trying to speed past it to see what speed they are doing and see who can go fastest. :)  But on the whole I'm sure they would have an overall positive impact on the speed of drivers and riders.

but in reality how much difference is there between an electric scooter and an electric bike? Both are capable of going well above 5mph with no effort from the rider.

Not quite true, for the vast majority of (legal) ebikes the bike has to be pedaled for the motor to kick in help and the motor is limited to 250W and will not help once past 15.5 mph.

There are twist and go throttle ebikes legal from 2016 but these are limited to 3.7mph without pedaling and after that unless you are pedaling then the motor will not help. Any twist and go throttle bike bought before 2016 are still legal but I've never seen one in all my bike travels.  

See here

E-scooters, unless hired in certain places, are illegal on UK roads and anyway banned on club sites

But to go back to your point. The club does take action against those going faster than 5 mph, at least with motor vehicles, Serving wardens post to say they do take action and I've seen notices on club sites that state that those caught will have to park in the car parks. There are also many notices on site in various places, on site leaflets, and online too. 

I fully support all these measures.

Chew valley affiliated site has solved the problem.

There are no cars speeding round - they are all in the on site car park.

There are no children speeding around - they are banned.

Do some members still complain?  Yes of course.