Diesel Electric!

Tigi replied on 11/10/2018 20:52

Posted on 11/10/2018 20:52

Auto Express this week have an article about Mercedes not giving up on the Diesel they will be bringing out a "C" Class running on a standard 2L diesel paired to electric motors. First cars are due for delivery Nov 19 circa £32000 including goverment subsidies (rumoured to be reduced soon) 

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lornalou1 replied on 12/10/2018 11:06

Posted on 12/10/2018 11:06

Subsidies. Think it's class 1 down to £3500 from £5000 and class 2 & 3 no subsidies at all. the motoring industry says will set the back years if this does happen.

flatcoat replied on 12/10/2018 12:35

Posted on 12/10/2018 12:35

This is not the first diesel hybrid by a long way. Volvo's previous generation V60 is/was available as a D/hybrid as was the Range Rover and various other cars. Not all were type approved for towing but the Volvo is. Mercedes Benz plan a number of D/hybrids and I hope they sell well so I can afford a used one in a few years time.....

Phishing replied on 13/10/2018 20:24

Posted on 13/10/2018 20:24

The motor industry is in turmoil. The next ten years will see more change than the previous 100. They don't know what to spend their engineering budget on developing. 

The range extender hybrids are a really good option. The positives of electric around town and the fuel efficiency on longer runs with extended range. Diesel can be made very clean if you run them in their peak power/torque range. One option being considered by some manufacturers is an electric drive train with batteries and a diesel generator system, huge MPG, relatively clean, no in town emissions.

EmilysDad replied on 13/10/2018 20:36

Posted on 13/10/2018 20:24 by Phishing

The motor industry is in turmoil. The next ten years will see more change than the previous 100. They don't know what to spend their engineering budget on developing. 

The range extender hybrids are a really good option. The positives of electric around town and the fuel efficiency on longer runs with extended range. Diesel can be made very clean if you run them in their peak power/torque range. One option being considered by some manufacturers is an electric drive train with batteries and a diesel generator system, huge MPG, relatively clean, no in town emissions.

Posted on 13/10/2018 20:36

One option being considered by some manufacturers is an electric drive train with batteries and a diesel generator system, huge MPG, relatively clean, no in town emissions.

That was the same(ish) set up as the Vauxhall Ampera ie wheels always driven by electrickery from batteries but had the ability to charge its own batteries with its onboard petrol engine.

lornalou1 replied on 14/10/2018 11:25

Posted on 13/10/2018 20:24 by Phishing

The motor industry is in turmoil. The next ten years will see more change than the previous 100. They don't know what to spend their engineering budget on developing. 

The range extender hybrids are a really good option. The positives of electric around town and the fuel efficiency on longer runs with extended range. Diesel can be made very clean if you run them in their peak power/torque range. One option being considered by some manufacturers is an electric drive train with batteries and a diesel generator system, huge MPG, relatively clean, no in town emissions.

Posted on 14/10/2018 11:25

I think they are just copying James May on top gear when they built there own vehicle smile

JVB66 replied on 14/10/2018 11:38

Posted on 13/10/2018 20:36 by EmilysDad

One option being considered by some manufacturers is an electric drive train with batteries and a diesel generator system, huge MPG, relatively clean, no in town emissions.

That was the same(ish) set up as the Vauxhall Ampera ie wheels always driven by electrickery from batteries but had the ability to charge its own batteries with its onboard petrol engine.

Posted on 14/10/2018 11:38

Is that not what is commonly known as a hybrid?laughing

EmilysDad replied on 14/10/2018 14:18

Posted on 14/10/2018 11:38 by JVB66

Is that not what is commonly known as a hybrid?laughing

Posted on 14/10/2018 14:18

Yes, but some hybrids have the ability to drive the road wheels directly from its petrol/diseasal engine .... most of which are just a marketing gimic as the battery only range is very limited.

Milothedog replied on 14/10/2018 14:33

Posted on 14/10/2018 14:18 by EmilysDad

Yes, but some hybrids have the ability to drive the road wheels directly from its petrol/diseasal engine .... most of which are just a marketing gimic as the battery only range is very limited.

Posted on 14/10/2018 14:33

Know as Series or Parallel systems. 

Series system drives the wheels through a motor only.

Parallel can drive them mechanically as well as stored battery power.

This diesel electric thing is not new, we were running buses at work with these systems back in 2010. Series systems at first on Alexander -Dennis  chassis, then a while later Parallel system Volvo Chassis.   

The pictures are both types of battery we had, The square one was the Volvo one and the other for the Dennis chassis, that picture is showing whats inside the big white case (about 1200 cells IIRC)

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