Are towing mirrors mandatory

Wolfie1 replied on 25/06/2021 22:24

Posted on 25/06/2021 22:24

As the topic asks? I have a jag xe and there is cameras on the end of the wing mirrors once you create a trailer profile and then select trailer mode with a trailer on these cameras show right down the side of the caravan better on the infotainment screen than with mirrors attached but with the mirrors fitted the arm of the mirrors block the camera, so do i have to have them by law, or will the cameras suffice?

Cornersteady replied on 25/06/2021 22:42

Posted on 25/06/2021 22:42

An interesting question as to whether a screen would be legal. The law is quite specific. 

To be compliant with the law, anyone towing a caravan must be able to see 20 metres behind them and four metres either side of the towed outfit.

As shown in the pic. Would your camera show this and even if yes would it be legal in law? And would looking at the screen be better or as safe than using a mirror? Can a rear view camera when solo take the place of wing mirrors?

Remember that a caravan camera cannot be a replacement for the towing mirrors required by law, and the two should be used together for maximum effect and legal compliance

Like I said an interesting question. I would get legal advice.

commeyras replied on 25/06/2021 23:02

Posted on 25/06/2021 23:02

Corners has said it all and, as discussed recently, spot checks are carried out to see that we comply with the law when towing.  For the sake of a few pounds, nothing when compared to the price of a Jag XE, better to be safe than sorry. However, if you get legal advice please post the result for others to see.

EmilysDad replied on 25/06/2021 23:09

Posted on 25/06/2021 22:42 by Cornersteady

An interesting question as to whether a screen would be legal. The law is quite specific. 

To be compliant with the law, anyone towing a caravan must be able to see 20 metres behind them and four metres either side of the towed outfit.

As shown in the pic. Would your camera show this and even if yes would it be legal in law? And would looking at the screen be better or as safe than using a mirror? Can a rear view camera when solo take the place of wing mirrors?

Remember that a caravan camera cannot be a replacement for the towing mirrors required by law, and the two should be used together for maximum effect and legal compliance

Like I said an interesting question. I would get legal advice.

Posted on 25/06/2021 23:09

Can a rear view camera when solo take the place of wing mirrors?

If you look at a Honda e (all electric car) it would appear so. But I don't know about Wolfies question but would suspect that mirrors would be needed to see down the side of a reasonably sized caravan.

Cornersteady replied on 25/06/2021 23:18

Posted on 25/06/2021 23:09 by EmilysDad

Can a rear view camera when solo take the place of wing mirrors?

If you look at a Honda e (all electric car) it would appear so. But I don't know about Wolfies question but would suspect that mirrors would be needed to see down the side of a reasonably sized caravan.

Posted on 25/06/2021 23:18

Thanks, that is interesting I will have a look, so are there no mirrors at all (windscreen and door), or mirrors in the same places that are really cameras if you see what I mean?

EmilysDad replied on 26/06/2021 00:29

Posted on 25/06/2021 23:18 by Cornersteady

Thanks, that is interesting I will have a look, so are there no mirrors at all (windscreen and door), or mirrors in the same places that are really cameras if you see what I mean?

Posted on 26/06/2021 00:29

Without Googling I can't now think if it still has a standard rear view mirror  but it definitely has cameras in lieu of door mirrors.

Honda E

DSB replied on 26/06/2021 08:08

Posted on 26/06/2021 08:08

Hi Wolfie.  It may be worth ringing the Tecnical Helpline or Legal Helpline (numbers on the back of the membership card).  They may be able to give a definitive answer.

David

Edit: just spotted you might not be a CAMC member - it's not coming up on your profile, but you may have joined and it's not showing on your profile yet.  You would need your membership number when ringing.... 

Extugger replied on 26/06/2021 08:28

Posted on 25/06/2021 22:42 by Cornersteady

An interesting question as to whether a screen would be legal. The law is quite specific. 

To be compliant with the law, anyone towing a caravan must be able to see 20 metres behind them and four metres either side of the towed outfit.

As shown in the pic. Would your camera show this and even if yes would it be legal in law? And would looking at the screen be better or as safe than using a mirror? Can a rear view camera when solo take the place of wing mirrors?

Remember that a caravan camera cannot be a replacement for the towing mirrors required by law, and the two should be used together for maximum effect and legal compliance

Like I said an interesting question. I would get legal advice.

Posted on 26/06/2021 08:28

 

Good post 

 

Extugger replied on 26/06/2021 08:54

Posted on 26/06/2021 08:54

 

The law states you must "have an adequate view of the road behind you" The parameters are set within the diagram posted by Corners, above.

So unless you can see clearly through your caravan to the road behind, you need towing mirrors.

I would still use extended mirrors in any case.

As for "electronic cameras, mirrors" etc I would see them as driving aides and not a replacement for ext. mirrors. Mr Plod is likely to take the same view and without further research, do these "aides" give the necessary field of vision, required by law?

 

Wolfie1 replied on 26/06/2021 09:26

Posted on 26/06/2021 09:26

Thanks all, the cameras are on the wing mirrors and do what towing mirrors do but only better and yes i can see in the cameras the illustration above, the central rear view mirror is not what i mean, hope that makes more sense

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