Weigh-bridge Shock

richardandros replied on 14/09/2018 15:51

Posted on 14/09/2018 15:51

We have owned a 2015 Bailey Barcelona from new and have become increasingly concerned as a result of discussions on here about payload that I have eventually got round to taking the van to a weigh-bridge. Part of that concern has centered around my wife's insistence that she really does need to take six week's worth of clothes for a fortnight's holiday - together with a commensurate amount of food!

With the van stripped down to the basics - no carpets - aquaroll and wastemaster, awning carpet, lightweight clothes dryer and air pump under the bed, two 6kg gas bottles (one almost empty) and two plastic boxes in the front locker containing waste connections, hammer and mallet, plastic awning pegs plus two boxes of steel pegs and all the other paraphernalia we caravanners need; the usual melamine crockery and a small amount of cutlery and kitchen utensils, duvet on the bed (but no pillows) and that's about it - so nothing particularly extravagant and no clothes whatsoever and nothing in the fridge or freezer. However, it does have an AWD motor mover.

The MTPLM of the van is 1723 kgs - it actually weighed in at 1840kgs!

My first reaction was to query the accuracy of the weigh-bridge - particularly at such low weights, but I am assured by the local authority department responsible, that they would expect an accuracy of at least +/- 20kgs - so that doesn't help much!

Having seen the amount of equipment that quite a lot of 'vanners pull out of their units - none of which was present in our van when it was weighed, makes me think that most caravans on the road today, must be grossly over-laden.

I am going to have to have a serious re-think about what extras I have got to try to load into the car but that is already pretty full of all the things I quite rightly assumed were too heavy to go in the van.

What does everyone else do?

Boff replied on 18/09/2018 06:57

Posted on 18/09/2018 06:57

A cynic might say as we buy the caravans.  Then, from the caravan designers point of view its mission accomplished.  

An optimist would suggest that being 20kg wouldn’t result in anything happening if you were to be weighed unless you really talked yourself into a ticket.  

replied on 18/09/2018 07:34

Posted on 18/09/2018 07:34

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Lutz replied on 18/09/2018 08:27

Posted on 18/09/2018 07:34 by

A serious question or two.  Apart from the legal implications what can go wrong?  Is it that Bailey have used A very light weight axle and / or chassis that is likely to break?  Are the tyres under rated, (easily corrected)?  Is the van breaking system inadequate?  Is it something else and can it be overcome?

Posted on 18/09/2018 08:27

Unless one overloads the caravan excessively, the only implications other than legal are the fact that one would lose warranty coverage. Under normal circumstances, there should be a margin of safety large enough to accommodate an overload of, say, 10%. After all, the weight limits that the manufacturers specific should take into account a certain amount of usage under heavy duty conditions such as towing over unsurfaced roads, etc. They'd be cutting things a bit fine if there weren't some margin of safety.

Boff replied on 18/09/2018 08:28

Posted on 18/09/2018 08:28

I would guess that Bailey have used 2 axles both rated at 1000kg. It would be practically impossible to ensure equal weight on 2 axles.  Bailey have asked for and  received type approval  at a maximum mptlm of 1800kg.  To increase from this value Bailey would have had to fit higher rated axles and gained a type approval for a hinheritance Mptlm.  

Also as far as I know the breaking system of most caravans is very highly developed and they break at regular intervals. 

KjellNN replied on 18/09/2018 20:38

Posted on 18/09/2018 06:31 by richardandros

I have now ruthlessly stripped everything out of the van that we either don't need or can physically fit in the car, although packing the car on Wednesday is going to be a challenge!  I have managed to get within 20kgs of the gas locker plated weight (including clothes in the hanging locker and food in the freezer etc) which, although I know I'm kidding myself, is within the level of accuracy the local authority said the weigh-bridge was at.  I can't see how I can do better than that.

It strikes me that the 'killer' in all of this is the AWD motor mover at 60 kgs but how on earth can the manufacturers expect anyone to move such a van - especially at our age - without one?

"Get a smaller van", some will say - but why should we have to?  We like the space and the facilities the Barcelona gives us - which is why we bought it. 

Might I suggest that it is yet another example of caravan designers never having actually used one in the real world.

Posted on 18/09/2018 20:38

For this very reason, we have fitted only a single wheel mover, a Truma TE which is however designed to be used on a twin axle, with the correct electronics to do so, and weighs 33kg.

I would not claim it to be as good/fast as an all wheel mover, but it does what we need it to do......moves our van nose first off the street and up our 1 in 10 sloping driveway to its storage position.  As it has to go nose first, I cannot use the car to position it.

It also sites the van on pitches without much trouble, and i use it to hitch up too.  With a bit of shuffling, it is surprising the tight places it can get the van in and out of!  Our van weighs 1900kg fully loaded.

Sandgroper replied on 21/09/2018 17:27

Posted on 21/09/2018 17:27

Just emptying our van and I am amazed at the junk that we carry. The front locker has enough cleaning materials plus toilet fluid, and weighs heavy. Toilet fluid is a 'must have', but not a full bottle! I certainly don't go on hols to clean my van so the cleaning stuff can stay at home. Memo to self :'think before you just pack it all in !!!'

Tammygirl replied on 21/09/2018 19:04

Posted on 15/09/2018 09:05 by young thomas

hi TG, hope you're having a great time awaysmile

what size car do you now have for your van?

i can see the issue your describing...

don't need an enormous caravan so opt for small/medium sized van, well comfortable for two....

seek out appropriate (not too massive) tow car, which isn't a problem to drive 'everyday'...

discover caravan payload isn't that good, so have to move everything to the tow car...

tow car not enormous (for above reasons) so may be short of required space or even payload...

a tricky one, for all sizes of caravan, it seems...

perhaps another 'rationalisation' of stuff (for most posters) required?

have a great timesmile

Posted on 21/09/2018 19:04

Hi BB, having a great time, weather very hot and sunny cool

Like the op we don't have a problem with the tow car as we have a Kuga titanium x sport 2.0 tdci. Great space inside and more than capable to do the job, which is a good thing as everything goes in it. Caravan has very little in it, a few clothes, 1 light gas bottle 6kg, a bit of food in fridge and a few toiletries. We have not gone down the route of wastemaster or waterhog, just 2 x 20l containers as we tend to use full sites over here.

We did bring a small lightweight porch awning, waste of time its way to hot to even think about putting it up wink next trip no awning but an extra bag of clothes(for me)laughinglaughing

Tammygirl replied on 21/09/2018 19:09

Posted on 15/09/2018 15:49 by lornalou1

 better weigh the car when it's full to bursting as could be overloaded and breaking the law. it's not just the caravan that has a weight limit.

Posted on 21/09/2018 19:09

No problem with that, it was weighed when caravan was done.

velonut replied on 22/09/2018 17:22

Posted on 22/09/2018 17:22

I’ve not been on here for a VERY long time, but having just changed my caravan I thought I would have a browse.

What an interesting and informative discussion. I have been caravanning since 1976, but had m/hs for 8 years and got a shock when I returned to tugging in 2012. Only half the stuff from the m/h, no clothes, no food but still 100kg over at the weighbridge! Weighed everything as I took it out and confirmed the MRO was spot on. Heavy stuff went into the car, lots left at home, minimum clothes etc. and off to France.

Changed the van to a 2 berth in 2015 but SWMBO didn’t allow me to weigh it so used the previously obtained weights to pack it. No problems. Changing back to 4 berth with fixed bed (getting old now!) next week with an enormous cavern under the bed. Fortunately the new van was destined for Germany but the order was cancelled and it has been converted back to UK spec, apart from the weight plate. UK spec MTPLM is 1365kg, ours is 1700kg! That’s almost half a ton of payload! We shall never use all that, but it is comforting to know we shall never be overweight.

I didn’t know about the plate in the gas locker, so will look for it at handover. Great info, thank you.

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