Dometic Toilet Problem

JohnM20 replied on 08/07/2019 07:32

Posted on 08/07/2019 07:32

My 2015 Lunar 524 has a Dometic toilet, CTW 4050 which has developed a problem. After I have filled the flush water tank to maximum and then flushed the toilet for the first time, even though the pump has stopped running water continues to constantly run into the bowl, probably due to siphonic action. This continues until the flush water tank is an estimated half full but by this time the bowl is almost full. Has anyone else had this problem or can offer any meaningful advice as to cause and rectification?

My additional concerns are that the bowl could overflow if we were not aware of it filling up and also that, if the waste cassette is getting ready for emptying there is nowhere for this excess water to be drained to. I have noticed black 'bits' in the flush water (although this is nothing new) and wondered if a 'bit' has stopped a valve from closing properly (I don't know if there is such a valve).

I must add that as a toilet I much prefer the Thetford made models that I have had in previous caravans. The blade operation on my Dometic is nowhere near as good as Thetford and although very regularly treated with silicone spray / grease it very quickly becomes difficult to operate the blade slide. The slide is thoroughly cleaned every two or three cassette emptyings. The handbook recommends this treatment once or twice a year if the toilet is used frequently.

I hope someone can come up with a solution as we will be going away again soon.

 

 

KjellNN replied on 22/10/2019 15:03

Posted on 22/10/2019 15:03

Thetford are not without problems, including the one where it starts flushing spontaneously!  Much debated over the years on SwiftTalk.

In the case of the Thetford it seems to be a problem with the control board getting damp.  We have suffered from it and in the end I resorted  to fitting an additional button on the top of the tank, which interrupts the power, so now both it and the flush button have to be pressed simultaneously.

100% successful.

richardandros replied on 23/10/2019 06:07

Posted on 22/10/2019 15:03 by KjellNN

Thetford are not without problems, including the one where it starts flushing spontaneously!  Much debated over the years on SwiftTalk.

In the case of the Thetford it seems to be a problem with the control board getting damp.  We have suffered from it and in the end I resorted  to fitting an additional button on the top of the tank, which interrupts the power, so now both it and the flush button have to be pressed simultaneously.

100% successful.

Posted on 23/10/2019 06:07

Well, hopefully, with our new one not having an internal flush tank, that shouldn't be a problem!

alsu777 replied on 10/07/2020 10:15

Posted on 08/07/2019 12:52 by richardandros

John - you have my sympathy.  We have a new Knaus Starclass 695 which had that toilet fitted.  It was useless! Like you, I found the blade difficult to operate - despite there being plenty of silicone grease on it and my continual spraying with silicone.  It leaked from the blade every time it was tipped up for emptying.  The stupid, over-complicated telescopic handle jammed in the open position and then, finally, the flush mechanism packed up altogether.  Added to which the wheels are so small on the cassette that they were useless on anything but smooth tarmac. All that in 5 months.

The dealer was unable to do anything under warranty other than to swap it for an identical model and based on their experience of continual problems with Dometic toilets, I paid them to have it changed to a tried and trusty Thetford. It went in perfectly other than the fact that the flush is now taken from the internal water tank, rendering the outside filler cap superfluous.

You may laugh - but on our recent three week holiday in Cornwall, it was a joy to use and empty as compared with all the hassle I had with that useless Dometicembarassed

 

Posted on 10/07/2020 10:15

Hi Richard,

                   We are about to buy a van with a Dometic toilet and was interested to see you have actually swapped over to a Thetford, which is what I’d like to do but wasn’t sure if it was possible, may I ask who swapped yours over please?

Regards

 

AlannBailey

Mayesderek replied on 14/08/2020 14:03

Posted on 14/08/2020 14:03

Having read the issues on the German made Dometic cassette, it would seem that my problem is nothing to moan about. "Ive mislaid the dump cap on my cassette, probably fallen down the hole. To get a replacement it will cost me £37.10. which would have made "Dick Turpin" blush.

SeasideBill replied on 14/08/2020 15:22

Posted on 14/08/2020 15:22

Another vote for Thetford. My Dometic toilet is flimsy and hard to operate requiring regular silicone grease/spray to keep it useable. My old van with a Thetford had no such issues and was much more robust - no pretty colours tho’ wink

richardandros replied on 14/08/2020 15:46

Posted on 10/07/2020 10:15 by alsu777

Hi Richard,

                   We are about to buy a van with a Dometic toilet and was interested to see you have actually swapped over to a Thetford, which is what I’d like to do but wasn’t sure if it was possible, may I ask who swapped yours over please?

Regards

 

AlannBailey

Posted on 14/08/2020 15:46

Hi Alann

Sorry - only just seen this after the thread was resurrected.  The work was done by ALV at Tebay - the dealer from which we bought the Knaus. It turned out to be quite an easy job - it looks fine and, touch wood, we haven't had any problems since it was installed. As someone said earlier, it was the one thing that was spoiling an otherwise perfect van and I'm pleased I made the decision to shell out the extra cash and get it sorted once and for all.

Simons62 replied on 31/08/2020 12:16

Posted on 31/08/2020 12:16

We have a Dometic toilet in Our 2018 Coachman 520 VIP. The toilet cassette cracked on the underside after about 3 uses and within one year of purchasing the caravan brand new in 2018. We informed the dealer who contacted Dometic who said that I had damaged the cassette as it had some scuffing on the underside of the cassette. To cut a long story short this has been ongoing for well over a year with the dealer saying that they had informed me that Dometic had refused to replace under warranty, I don’t recall receiving any such notification, and me contacting Dometic directly. They reaffirmed their decision that it was not covered under warranty as there was some scuffing on the underside of the cassette so it was damaged by me. This turned into rather an irate phone call and raised a couple of questions.notably I asked who is responsible for consequential damage and they informed me that it would be me as it is now a known problem so I should replace the cassette but Dometic also made me feel as though mine was the only cassette that had failed in this way. On mentioning this on a Coachman forum I found that numerous others had had similar problems. Since I now cannot use the toilet unless I replace the cassette does this make the whole caravan not fit for purpose? Given that Coachman have gone back to using Thetford toilets I’m surprised that Coachman haven't done a recall and replaced this pile of junk that they insisted on using in their flagship van. Another problem that has developed is that the plastic film cover to the flush button has also holed. I am now waiting again to see what the dealer comes back with but am not holding my breath and considering going to trading standards as the cassette is not fit for purpose making the whole caravan not fit for purpose. I would advise anyone thinking of buying a caravan to avoid any with Dometic products fitted

richardandros replied on 31/08/2020 15:36

Posted on 31/08/2020 12:16 by Simons62

We have a Dometic toilet in Our 2018 Coachman 520 VIP. The toilet cassette cracked on the underside after about 3 uses and within one year of purchasing the caravan brand new in 2018. We informed the dealer who contacted Dometic who said that I had damaged the cassette as it had some scuffing on the underside of the cassette. To cut a long story short this has been ongoing for well over a year with the dealer saying that they had informed me that Dometic had refused to replace under warranty, I don’t recall receiving any such notification, and me contacting Dometic directly. They reaffirmed their decision that it was not covered under warranty as there was some scuffing on the underside of the cassette so it was damaged by me. This turned into rather an irate phone call and raised a couple of questions.notably I asked who is responsible for consequential damage and they informed me that it would be me as it is now a known problem so I should replace the cassette but Dometic also made me feel as though mine was the only cassette that had failed in this way. On mentioning this on a Coachman forum I found that numerous others had had similar problems. Since I now cannot use the toilet unless I replace the cassette does this make the whole caravan not fit for purpose? Given that Coachman have gone back to using Thetford toilets I’m surprised that Coachman haven't done a recall and replaced this pile of junk that they insisted on using in their flagship van. Another problem that has developed is that the plastic film cover to the flush button has also holed. I am now waiting again to see what the dealer comes back with but am not holding my breath and considering going to trading standards as the cassette is not fit for purpose making the whole caravan not fit for purpose. I would advise anyone thinking of buying a caravan to avoid any with Dometic products fitted

Posted on 31/08/2020 15:36

Unlike the Thetford, the Dometic cassette is actually made of a much thinner, brittle plastic. I actually found a YouTube video of how to repair a crack in the Dometic cassette which made me think that it wasn’t an uncommon problem.

Another thing that sort of amused me - anyone found a way of emptying the cassette and holding the vent button down at the same time - without using three hands!😂

Given my previous comments, I can’t think of one single design feature of this toilet that is worth a recommendation.

Dave Nicholson replied on 01/09/2020 12:38

Posted on 01/09/2020 12:38

I agree wholeheartedly with the comments about the Dometic loo. After a frustrating couple of years I recently changed mine for a Thetford C220 series unit. The changeover was relatively easy although i did have a problem with height tolerances on the Thetford loo between the casssette and the fixed part of the unit. To their credit Thetford did get back to me with some advice but in the end I’ve had to pack the cassette bottom rail by 3.5mm. Its no big deal and it would be an exaggeration to say its a pleasure to use and to empty it but I’m sure you know what I mean.

waljoh replied on 29/08/2021 11:03

Posted on 29/08/2021 11:03

This is an old post, but for the sake of others, I would like to share my experience.

First of all, in the absence of a manual, I more or less dismantled the toilet (Dometic CTW4050). Probably a mistake.

The water filler for the flush must be removed from outside the van. It has a pipe with O-ring extending into the flush tank. You can then lift the unit off the internal wall plate (hook) that retains it.

Find the 6 long screws securing it to the floor of the van, and remove them, not the 6 screws that hold the damn thing together. You should be able then to lift it off, unplugging the supply first, and extracting the breather hose that presumably goes through the floor.

The flush water pipe is relatively heavy and ours has become stiff. Where it entered the outer bowl, there is a 90 degree elbow made of flimsy plastic that had deteriorated and literally crumbled. This is what was leaking. You need to remove the seat (lever up with thin blade at each of the triangular marks on the seat) to reveal the screws holding the 'flush ring'. You should then be able to remove the bowl (sealed in to the base), and gain access to this fitting. Nasty spring steel clips are used to retain the hose, awkward to release by easing the spring with pliers. They also rust. There is no support for the hose or wiring - suggest self adhesive anchors and cable ties.

The other end of the flush pipe on the tank goes into another naff fitting, which again broke. This also includes the anti syphon valve. Our tank was heavily polluted with black residue presumably from leaving pink fluid in the tank for too long. Some people say don't use it. The valve was presumably not working due to residue. Incidentally, the pump motor wires pass through a hole in this fitting, so that if the tank is overfilled it will spurt out of this, possibly over the electronic control unit?

I attach a photo showing the remains of the elbow, and the tank cap with syphon..

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